INFO-VAX Thu, 17 Feb 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 95 Contents: Re: Announcing the latest issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. Re: Announcing the latest issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. Re: Announcing the latest issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. Re: Announcing the latest issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. Re: DCL call to get shadow member status? Re: DCL call to get shadow member status? Re: DS700 BOOTP Re: Guy Peleg: More wish list items Re: Guy Peleg: More wish list items HP financials: Alpha sales down Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions Re: NFS mounts to Solaris Server OpenVMS Cluster to Replace News.Individual.NET ? Re: Oracle LGWR process does continuous direct I/O's Re: OT: Where do you get your News feed? Re: read monitor (>>>) variables from OpenVMS ? Re: read monitor (>>>) variables from OpenVMS ? Re: rx5670 for $2K Re: rx5670 for $2K Re: rx5670 for $2K Re: rx5670 for $2K Re: rx5670 for $2K Re: rx5670 for $2K set shadow/log bug Re: set shadow/log bug Re: So how big a parachute did she have? Re: Speed of light as speed limit (was Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw !) Re: Speed of light as speed limit (was Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw !) Status of devices Re: Status of devices Re: TCPIP automatic route additions Re: Thoughts about VMS ECOs now in .PCSI$COMPRESSED form Re: VMS 8.2 Itanium Distribution VMS and Comcast cable modem Re: VMS and Comcast cable modem Re: VMS and Comcast cable modem Re: VMS and Comcast cable modem Re: VMS and Comcast cable modem Re: VMS Group purchase process? Re: VMS Group purchase process? Re: VMS Group purchase process? RE: [OT] Speed of light as speed limit (was Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw flaw Re: [OT] Speed of light as speed limit (was Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw flawf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:37:52 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: Announcing the latest issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. Message-ID: <4213a111$0$24944$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net> susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > Dear Distribution lists, > > It is my pleasure to announce the latest issue of the OpenVMS Technical > Journal. First, I would like to apologize for the delay; however we > were otherwise occupied in getting OpenVMS Version 8.2 out. Please > visit the Web site at: > "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html" > > Once again, we have a number of excellent articles. To highlight just a > few, let me start by pointing out "A Survey of Cluster Technologies" by > Ken Moreau. You will find this an in-depth and very well researched > article. "Porting the Macro-32 Compiler to OpenVMS I64" by John Reagan > gives you a firsthand look at what changed and what stayed the same > from an engineer on the compiler team. "Are you Certifiable?" What an > interesting question and name for an article! Certification is a big > thing in the IT industry these days, and OpenVMS does have > certification available. This article was written by John Gillings, who > was part of the team that developed some of the certification tests. > "Delivering Web Access to OpenVMS" by Tom Bice describes how > Southeastern Freight Lines migrated its All-in-1 application to > Verastream and added a graphical user interface. This migration > preserved all their valuable data, enabled them to keep their OpenVMS > systems on which they rely for zero down-time, enhanced customer > service, and reduced IT costs. There are four more excellent articles > in this issue as well. > > As always, I would like to thank all the Authors. As you can see from > the bio page, we have an impressive group of Engineers, Ambassadors, > and Partners. Key to the publication of this journal is the > documentation team that works with the Authors. For this issue, they > were Carolyn Crowell, Suzy Kane, Mary Marotta, Sarah Masella, Joseph > McMullen, Phil Milgrom, Pat Nelson, and Merle Roesler. Of course, > without the core team of Warren Sander, the web master, and Mary > Marotta, this project would not be possible at all. I owe them a huge > dept of gratitude. Thank you all very much. > > I hope you enjoy this issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. > > Warm Regards, > Sue Skonetski > Editor > Hi Sue, I just noticed that the link on this page to the previous V4 OpenVMS Technical Journal isn't working. It points to... http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v4/index.html However the articles can still be found at... http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v4/ PS - Bringing back the technical journal in this form continues to be a great idea! Great thanks to all who have participated! Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:04:58 -0500 From: "warren sander" Subject: Re: Announcing the latest issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. Message-ID: <4213c3c7@usenet01.boi.hp.com> I fixed it.. it was ok on my staging site but I forced an update to get the journal live and missed a couple of things. "Keith Cayemberg" wrote in message news:4213a111$0$24944$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net... > susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > > Dear Distribution lists, > > > > It is my pleasure to announce the latest issue of the OpenVMS Technical > > Journal. First, I would like to apologize for the delay; however we > > were otherwise occupied in getting OpenVMS Version 8.2 out. Please > > visit the Web site at: > > "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html" > > > > Once again, we have a number of excellent articles. To highlight just a > > few, let me start by pointing out "A Survey of Cluster Technologies" by > > Ken Moreau. You will find this an in-depth and very well researched > > article. "Porting the Macro-32 Compiler to OpenVMS I64" by John Reagan > > gives you a firsthand look at what changed and what stayed the same > > from an engineer on the compiler team. "Are you Certifiable?" What an > > interesting question and name for an article! Certification is a big > > thing in the IT industry these days, and OpenVMS does have > > certification available. This article was written by John Gillings, who > > was part of the team that developed some of the certification tests. > > "Delivering Web Access to OpenVMS" by Tom Bice describes how > > Southeastern Freight Lines migrated its All-in-1 application to > > Verastream and added a graphical user interface. This migration > > preserved all their valuable data, enabled them to keep their OpenVMS > > systems on which they rely for zero down-time, enhanced customer > > service, and reduced IT costs. There are four more excellent articles > > in this issue as well. > > > > As always, I would like to thank all the Authors. As you can see from > > the bio page, we have an impressive group of Engineers, Ambassadors, > > and Partners. Key to the publication of this journal is the > > documentation team that works with the Authors. For this issue, they > > were Carolyn Crowell, Suzy Kane, Mary Marotta, Sarah Masella, Joseph > > McMullen, Phil Milgrom, Pat Nelson, and Merle Roesler. Of course, > > without the core team of Warren Sander, the web master, and Mary > > Marotta, this project would not be possible at all. I owe them a huge > > dept of gratitude. Thank you all very much. > > > > I hope you enjoy this issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. > > > > Warm Regards, > > Sue Skonetski > > Editor > > > Hi Sue, > > I just noticed that the link on this page to the previous V4 OpenVMS > Technical Journal isn't working. It points to... > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v4/index.html > > However the articles can still be found at... > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v4/ > > PS - Bringing back the technical journal in this form continues to be a > great idea! Great thanks to all who have participated! > > Cheers! > > Keith Cayemberg > ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 15:17:24 -0800 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com Subject: Re: Announcing the latest issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. Message-ID: <1108595844.182377.229100@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Sue, thanks for this. The Journals are valuable and interesting. > "Are you Certifiable?" What an interesting question and name > for an article! Certification is a big thing in the IT industry > these days, and OpenVMS does have certification available. This > article was written by John Gillings, who was part of the team > that developed some of the certification tests. We were certified (three people onsite), but the company is no longer willing to support it since HP added the requirement that we sell 7 figures (thats $1,000,000.00) in hardware per year to be an official enterprise/OpenVMS reseller. So unfortunately, we are not any more (resellers or certified). Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:52:44 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Announcing the latest issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. Message-ID: jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote: > Sue, > thanks for this. The Journals are valuable and interesting. > >> "Are you Certifiable?" What an interesting question and name >> for an article! Certification is a big thing in the IT industry >> these days, and OpenVMS does have certification available. This >> article was written by John Gillings, who was part of the team >> that developed some of the certification tests. > > We were certified (three people onsite), but the company is no longer > willing to support it since HP added the requirement that we sell 7 > figures (thats $1,000,000.00) in hardware per year to be an official > enterprise/OpenVMS reseller. So unfortunately, we are not any more > (resellers or certified). You could get certified if you sell HP ink cartridges ;-) -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:46:36 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: DCL call to get shadow member status? Message-ID: Ken Fairfield wrote: > John Santos wrote: > [big snip] > >> >> In a log (batch log or @com/output= log), or if DCL verify is enabled, >> >> $ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI("''DSKMBR'", "EXISTS") >> >> displays the value of DSKMBR in the log, which is sometimes useful. > > > Indeed it does and I have no argument with that. OTOH, the > question was the use of ''DSKMBR' outside of string context. > What you show above is within a string. Correct, but not relevant > to Bart's query. The original (long snipped) seemed to be a mish-mash of the two examples I posted here, so that's why I posted this. It wasn't what the OP asked, but it might have been what he wanted. My point was either you should include the whole thing in double-quotes (so that DCL does symbol substitution inside a quoted string), or get rid of the single quotes entirely. Someone else posted an analysis of what happens when the single-quote-only version gets parsed and why it works. (Basically, because all the quotes get thrown away.) >> On the other hand >> >> $ MBRSTAT = F$GETDDVI(DSKMBR, "EXISTS") >> >> makes it clear that the command file is using a symbol for the device >> name, and what that symbol is, which might make debugging the command >> file easier. >> >> In either case, F$GETDDVI is a typo - the correct lexical is F$GETDVI. > > > Yep, I surely fat-fingered that one. ;-p But here's yet another > example of (current) DCL "parsing only as far as the 4th character > of a verb", if you allow me to extend the analogy to lexical > functions. F$GETDXYZZY works equally as well as F$GETDVI, much as > LOGOMETRICAL works just as well as LOGOFF, which works just as well > as the actual verb, LOGOUT. :-) > > -Ken Yup (BTW, IIRC, the orignal post had a single "D") but once you start down the road to pedantry, it is hard to stop :-) -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:39:16 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: DCL call to get shadow member status? Message-ID: <86WQd.29249$wc.6147@trnddc07> Sorry to follow up my own post, but... John Santos wrote: > Ken Fairfield wrote: > >> John Santos wrote: >> [big snip] [bigger snip] > asked, but it might have been what he wanted. My point was either you Ken, this is the generic "you", not the personal "you"! I'm not sniping at you (the personal "you"), honestly. I think it would have been better to say "Best practice would be to include the whole thing in ..." in classic stilted, impersonal, computer documentation style. > should include the whole thing in double-quotes (so that DCL does symbol > substitution inside a quoted string), or get rid of the single quotes > entirely. The cure for quote-quote-quote-quote-quote-quote syndrome is sometimes getting rid of some of the quotes. :) [snip] > Yup (BTW, IIRC, the orignal post had a single "D") but once you Yet, another usage of "you", which this time means "me"! > start down the road to pedantry, it is hard to stop :-) -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:17:17 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: DS700 BOOTP Message-ID: <42140CBD.74DEA85B@comcast.net> dieter rossbach wrote: > > I have to change the download for some decserver 700 from mop to > DHCP/BOOTP due to changes of the network infrastructure. Find a "gentle" way to remind the network folks that IS does not exist to serve the needs of network, the network exists to serve the needs of IS. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:36:57 -0500 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: Guy Peleg: More wish list items Message-ID: <1117p8h7ulpbn4a@corp.supernews.com> Dave Froble wrote: > David J Dachtera wrote: > >> If these aren't already in V8.2... >> >> New keywords for F$GETSYI() >> >> IJOBCNT >> BJOBCNT >> NJOBCNT >> >> (counterparts to their ...LIM companions) >> > > If you get into HELP, after the list of item codes, you'll see: > > You can also specify any of the system parameters listed in the > OpenVMS System Management Utilities Reference Manual. > > So, it's been there at least since V7.2. I'm not sure what system > parameters are listed in the manual. Perhaps it means all the SYSGEN > parameters. > > Dave Seems I cannot read anymore. I didn't notice that David asked for 'CNT', not 'LIM'. Nevermind. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:11:42 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Guy Peleg: More wish list items Message-ID: <42140B6E.156DF65C@comcast.net> Dave Froble wrote: > > Dave Froble wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > > >> If these aren't already in V8.2... > >> > >> New keywords for F$GETSYI() > >> > >> IJOBCNT > >> BJOBCNT > >> NJOBCNT > >> > >> (counterparts to their ...LIM companions) > >> > > > > If you get into HELP, after the list of item codes, you'll see: > > > > You can also specify any of the system parameters listed in the > > OpenVMS System Management Utilities Reference Manual. > > > > So, it's been there at least since V7.2. I'm not sure what system > > parameters are listed in the manual. Perhaps it means all the SYSGEN > > parameters. > > > > Dave > > Seems I cannot read anymore. I didn't notice that David asked for > 'CNT', not 'LIM'. Nevermind. Indeed. I thought it unusual that F$GETJPI() has ...LM and a corresponding ...CNT for various process quotas. Trouble is, some of the ...CNTs tell how much is used, and some tell how much remains available to use. F$GETSYI() lacks these pairs, however. MAXPROCESSCNT needs a corresponding CURPROCESSCNT, for example, so a detached daemon can warn about an impending issue without having to use F$CONTEXT() and F$PID() to compile a "current" process count (stale by the time the loop finishes counting). -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:10:52 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: HP financials: Alpha sales down Message-ID: <1108616334.31cc005d5893876d514ad322c4075084@teranews> > http://news.com.com/HP+delivers+first+earnings+report+post-Fiorina/2100-7341_3-5579498.html?tag=nefd.top ## HP also saw its profitability in its server and storage segment drop, even as sales continued to rise. The company posted an operating profit of $71 million, down from $153 million in the year-ago quarter, while revenue rose 9 percent, to $4 billion. The company saw sales gains in its industry standard and HP-UX server sales, but it saw drops in its NonStop and AlphaServer product lines. ## So this would seem to go against the rumours of VMS sales increasing. Also of interest is that they would mention HP-UX sales increases but now what hardwrae it runs on. Probably because most sales are still Pa-Risc and HP doesn't really want to publiscise that aspect. In that article, more employee cits are still planned. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:41:05 GMT From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions Message-ID: "Ken Randell" wrote in message news:pGdQd.26867$wc.20504@trnddc07... > I'd make it a third for the ELF stuff. > 1) EFI booting -- what's really happening under the hood in say > VMS_LOADER.EFI It's like sausage, you might not really want to know what goes into it ;-) I reality, VMS_LOADER.EFI doesn't do a whole lot except load IPB (which of course is a vast over simplification). The stuff that happens on both IPF and Alpha between the boot command and the point SYSBOOT takes over is largely magic, and known well only by a handful of people who actually have to make it work. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 19:16:02 -0800 From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions for bootcamp sessions Message-ID: <1108610162.337807.50030@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> FredK wrote: > It's like sausage, you might not really want to know what goes into it ;-) > > I reality, VMS_LOADER.EFI doesn't do a whole lot except load IPB (which of > course is a vast over simplification). > > The stuff that happens on both IPF and Alpha between the boot command > and the point SYSBOOT takes over is largely magic, and known well only > by a handful of people who actually have to make it work. I like sausage. I also like magic. I'm really interested in how these .EFI programs were created, as they appear to be programs rather than scripts. I'm looking at having to support some number of rxXXXX boxes that are in remote locations; I'm not sure if everything that I want to do can be done via plain EFI scripts. For example, let's say I have to replace my system disk and restore from an image backup... On an Alpha, I simply type B DKA0 and I'm all set -- this is very easy for my users to remember. My experience on Itanium is that the boot information has some kind of disk-partition/other-magic-code stored in the NVRAM, so even if the disk is in the same slot and bootable, the saved boot information is different so the system won't boot. My remote users are not the kind to use BCFG commands in order to change things. This part can likely be done via a script, but it seems more hackerly to write a program. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 10:51:15 -0800 From: "Jim" Subject: Re: NFS mounts to Solaris Server Message-ID: <1108579875.304537.292730@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Jim and Bob, Thanks for your input. I have the nfs mount permanence set. . If I may ask one more question, is it possible to compile files on unix from openvms? The case sensitivity issue is getting in the way. The more I look and think about it, I think we have to go to upper case names. Jim main ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:54:40 GMT From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) Subject: OpenVMS Cluster to Replace News.Individual.NET ? Message-ID: One way to give OpenVMS some much-needed publicity would be to offer the internet a multi-site OpenVMS cluster as a free news server. --Jerry Leslie Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 19:17:52 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Oracle LGWR process does continuous direct I/O's Message-ID: <1108610271.978183.54720@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Main, Kerry wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mcbill20@yahoo.com [mailto:mcbill20@yahoo.com] > > Sent: February 16, 2005 5:38 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: Oracle LGWR process does continuous direct I/O's > > > > I saw this problem once before with Oracle 7.? or 8.? I believe. The > > database works OK but the Oracle LGWR process runs constantly, even > > with no database activity. > > > > The last time (several years ago), I was told that this was an Oracle > > bug and I just needed to get a patch. That turned out to be correct. > > > > Here is my current config: > > > > OpenVMS 7.3-1 > > Oracle 9.2.0.2 > > > > As far as I can tell, this time the problem started when I installed > > VMS731_UPDATE V5.0. I assumed I could just go to the Oracle > > website and > > get the latest patches, but the metalink website has recently purged > > their user/password database. I tried to reregister but it requires a > > valid CSID, which I don't have anymore, as a home user. > > > > I don't know why they would have a policy like this. It's kind of > > funny-- just the opposite of the OpenVMS policy. With VMS, you have to > > pay for the original software (other than hobbyist) but you then get > > free access to bug fixes. With Oracle, you can download all their > > products for free but can't get bug fixes without paying. > > > > And of course, they appear to be way behind in porting. I noticed > > Oracle 10g available for download on just about every platform except > > VMS. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks. > > Bill > > > > > Bill, > > A few misc notes: > > - the porting dates for Oracle 10G are in the roadmaps at: (updated Feb > '05) > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm > > - might want to review patches not in the -500 release at: > ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-1/ALPHA_V731_MASTER_ECO > _LIST.txt > > In particular, check out: (has ref to Oracle deadlock issue) > ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-1/VMS731_ACRTL-V0300.tx > t > > - keep in mind that Oracle are doing BOTH OpenVMS Itanium AND Alpha > versions of 10G at the same time. Oracle Rdb for OpenVMS Itanium beta > is now available. > > [my personal take is that most Cust's are still using some version of 9i > (9.2.0.5?) and even 8i. It is only a small subset of those who are > actively planning to implement 10G in the short term, but ymmv] > > Oracle 9.2.0.2 is pretty old from an Oracle perspective. Later release > notes have numerous misc fixes for LGWR process. V9.2.0.5 is latest > version on OpenVMS with 9.2.0.6 slated for March/April timeframe based > on Oracle support comments in Metalink. > > Regards > > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660 > Fax: 613-591-4477 > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT) > > "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. > Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, I guess the 9.2.0.5 release must be available through Metalink only. I went to the Oracle main website in the download area and it still says 9.2.0.2 for OpenVMS. I'll have to try and find a way to get access to Metalink again. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:06:28 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT: Where do you get your News feed? Message-ID: <42140A33.E4D32A38@comcast.net> Thomas Wirt wrote: > > I got this email today and am looking for an alternate means to read and > post. The News.Individual.NET fees are very reasonable, but I am not > interested in entering into a contract paid in Euros. The last time > that I asked this group this question, the answer I got was > News.Individual.NET. I am now asking what people use for their feed. I > am curious if most of you get your News from a remote server as a > service, or do you maintain your own News server? If you maintain your > own News server where do you get your feed for that? > > I hope I get some answers. Please do not make me go back to Google > groups for posting!! :) I really like to read and post from the comfort > of my chosen News reader. The ISP that hosts djesys.com, dls.net also has news service. My DLS login works even though I connect from comcast.net. That said, Comcast also offers Giganews. I believe many ISPs offer news service of varying quality. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:21:10 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: read monitor (>>>) variables from OpenVMS ? Message-ID: <42140DA6.BD0CF220@comcast.net> Roy Omond wrote: > > Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr wrote: > > > yes, I know LANCP, but do > > > > Yes Full duplex enable > > Yes Full duplex operational > > TwistedPair Line media type > > 100 Line speed (mbps) > > > > mean that the network adapter has been setup like this before the boot > > at the >>> prompt or after the boot with a LANCP command ? > > OK, I had parsed your original query as a native English speaker. > Now I understand what you were asking. > > Using LANCP, it is impossible to tell. > > If this is a standalone system, then hit Break / Control-P or whatever > it is for your system at the console, then: > > >>> show e*mode > > (and if necessary) > > >>> set e...mode FastFD (e.g. >>> set ewa0_mode FastFD) > > Then: > > >>> c > > In a cluster enviroment, just make sure your typing speed is, > ahem, appropriately fast :-) ...or, type those commands into Notepad, and copy them to the clipboard. THen, connect to your console, hit CTRL+P, and press SHIFT-Insert (faster than ALT E P or mousing). Your terminal program should send the data to the computer as if you had typed it. Caveats: o Do not attempt on a production machine o VMS may bugcheck after the exx0_mode change. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:22:19 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: read monitor (>>>) variables from OpenVMS ? Message-ID: <42140DEA.1F21314A@comcast.net> Tom Linden wrote: > > On 16 Feb 2005 08:37:33 -0800, wrote: > > > What version of OpenVMS allows you to use a f$setenv function? > > v7.3-1 returns an -IVFAM invalid lexical function name. > > > > Jim > > > Didn't imply it existed, I said it would be useful > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ F$SETENV() is another wish list item, but becomes deprecated as of the the Alphacide. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:10:44 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: rx5670 for $2K Message-ID: <00A3F7CA.8853FA71@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <5MFyd+Hr0Ova@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >In article <00A3F775.629FBE5A@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >>>Anybody else get the offer? Now if only I could get it with GEM, >>>I could use it. >>> >>>http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/prot/ne/ne_NewsDetail_PRT_IDX/1,1649,1908,00.html >> >> I get no communications from DSPP. > >Nor do we. Maybe it stands for Dump Silent Partner Program. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:15:38 GMT From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: rx5670 for $2K Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > Anybody else get the offer? Sorry, but it appears OpenVMS will not be supported on the rx5670. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 15:09:39 -0800 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com Subject: Re: rx5670 for $2K Message-ID: <1108595379.866886.298860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> > Sorry, but it appears OpenVMS will not be supported on the rx5670. Just like the bad old days of the white-box Alphas. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:47:50 GMT From: "FredK" Subject: Re: rx5670 for $2K Message-ID: This was mostly a tactical decision based on timing. The rx5670 was designed as a 4-socket PA-RISC follow on aimed at the existing HP-UX base and came out well before VMS was ready. The rx4640 is a 4-socket system that was part of the newer family of boxes comming out in the right timeframe for VMS to jump on. Dunno if VMS would boot on it, I'm not sure we've ever seen one. wrote in message news:1108595379.866886.298860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > Sorry, but it appears OpenVMS will not be supported on the rx5670. > > Just like the bad old days of the white-box Alphas. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:32:57 GMT From: "John Vottero" Subject: Re: rx5670 for $2K Message-ID: "Keith Parris" wrote in message news:uuQQd.188$Xu7.89@news.cpqcorp.net... > Tom Linden wrote: >> Anybody else get the offer? > > Sorry, but it appears OpenVMS will not be supported on the rx5670. Someone had better tell DSPP because they're sending e-mail to OpenVMS ISV's pushing these machines and letting you order them with an "OpenVMS evaluation kit v8.1". The web page (requires DSPP logon) is: http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/prot/ne/ne_NewsDetail_PRT_IDX/1,1649,1908,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:37:40 GMT From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: rx5670 for $2K Message-ID: In article , "FredK" wrote: >This was mostly a tactical decision based on timing. The rx5670 was >designed as >a 4-socket PA-RISC follow on aimed at the existing HP-UX base and came out >well before VMS was ready. The rx4640 is a 4-socket system that was part of >the newer family of boxes comming out in the right timeframe for VMS to jump >on. > >Dunno if VMS would boot on it, I'm not sure we've ever seen one. rx5670 is certainly not supported for VMS. I don't even know if it uses the same chipset as the current systems. If not, the chance of VMS working goes down considerably. I suppose there might be a few folks out there who already have rx5670 systems, who would like to switch to VMS. Alas, any such systems don't have a supported upgrade path to VMS. For folks buying new systems, I don't think the rx5670 offers anything over the rx4640. The rx5670 appears to be of almost no practical interest as a potential VMS platform. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 13:59:21 -0800 From: "Ed Wilts" Subject: set shadow/log bug Message-ID: <1108591161.790353.12580@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Interesting bug of the day: Tybalt> show dev dga101 Device Device Error Volume Free Trans Mnt Name Status Count Label Blocks Count Cnt DSA501: Mounted 0 DISK101 49862576 1 1 $1$DGA101: (TYBALT) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA501:) $1$DGA201: (TYBALT) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA501:) Tybalt> set shadow/log $1$dga101:/site=3 %SETSHAD-I-DEVSET, DSA101 set with /SITE There is a DSA101, but DGA101 isn't in it. The right thing happens, but the DEVSET message is wrong. Tybalt> set shadow/site=5 $1$dga101 Tybalt> sh shadow dsa501 [snip] Device $1$DGA101 Master Member Read Cost 42 Site 5 Member Timeout 180 Device $1$DGA201 Read Cost 42 Site 2 Member Timeout 180 Tybalt> set shadow/log $1$dga101/site=3 %SETSHAD-I-DEVSET, DSA101 set with /SITE Tybalt> sh shadow dsa501 [snip] Device $1$DGA101 Master Member Read Cost 2 Site 3 Member Timeout 180 Device $1$DGA201 Read Cost 42 Site 2 Member Timeout 180 ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 21:32:35 -0500 From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) Subject: Re: set shadow/log bug Message-ID: Ed Wilts" writes: > Interesting bug of the day: > Tybalt> set shadow/log $1$dga101:/site=3 > %SETSHAD-I-DEVSET, DSA101 set with /SITE > > There is a DSA101, but DGA101 isn't in it. The right thing happens, > but the DEVSET message is wrong. > > Tybalt> set shadow/site=5 $1$dga101 > Tybalt> sh shadow dsa501 Sigh! What version, and what patch kits have you installed? I know we fixed some oddities with SET and SHOW SHADOW; it is with hope that this is one that has been fixed already for V8.2. I'll send this one along to the guy who is most familiar with that aspect of SET and SHOW SHADOW . . . -- Rob Brooks VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:07:02 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: So how big a parachute did she have? Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:58:19 -0500, Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com] >> Sent: February 10, 2005 5:44 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: So how big a parachute did she have? >> >> Bob Koehler wrote: >> > > Its all part of our plan to make the US the 11th province >> of Canada. >> > > Course, teaching Texans to speak French might be a tad >> difficult, but I >> > > am sure they will see the value in this vision. >> > > >> > >> > How do you spell nucular in French? >> >> >> We don't use proprietary USA technology, we use industry standard >> nuclear reactors. The USA is mad at Iran because it got open sourced >> nuclear technology instead of buying the USA proprietary Nucular (tm) >> systems. >> >> And in french, it is Nucléaire >> > > And in english, it is nuclear .. > > :-) > > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660 > Fax: 613-591-4477 > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT) > > "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. > Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." Speaking of Carly, I spoke to a guy today who claimed that she recently interviewed for Eisner's job. She was turned down, I was told. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 12:26:37 -0800 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: Speed of light as speed limit (was Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw !) Message-ID: <1108585597.909550.251500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <1108539507.530079.292820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" writes: > > > While this is not an exact proof, it does show that there is very, very > > little hope for exceeding the speed of light in vacuum. > > There are (were?) experiments in quantum physics that indicated that > the weak force may propogate at speeds in excess of the speed of > light. There are theories in nucular physics that work out only if > the strong force propogates faster than the speed of light. Of > course either may be wrong (I'm not at the forefront of physics in > the work I do). > > Since Einstein only considered electromagnetic and gravitational > phenomena it should not suprise us if one of the other forces happens > to have a propogation speed faster than electromagnetism. > > But since compounds are held together by eletromagnetic forces a > spaceship would be constrained by c. The strong and weak nuclear forces have an extremely short range, especially the weak force. The range for the strong nuclear force is on the order of about 10**-13 cm and that of the weak force is so small that it is well approximated by a "contact force". I have recently been reading QED by Feynman and according to this book it appears that the speed of a photon does vary from c but only over very, very short distances. For macroscopic distances it is still essentially c. You'll have to read the book to see how this works, but it ceratainly doesn't mean you can propel a macroscopic object, or even a particle, to faster than the speed of light. (It's a very good book that explains QED to the layman, and worth reading even if you only get halfway through.) Remember, down at very, very small distances the world cannot be described without using quantum mechanics. Objects in the quantum world behave in a manner that is so strange that it is diffictult to believe it. However, the body of evidence supporting quantum mechanics is truly enourmous. For large systems (i.e., something large enough to see in a regular optical microscope), quantum mechanics reduces to classical mechanics via Ehrenfest's theorem. And the speed of light on the macroscopic scale is simply c. If you are not familiar with quantum mechanics, you cannot reply to this paragraph. So this faster than light propagation of the nuclear forces must be kept in context, namely, that it applies only over extremely, extremely small distances AND in the realm in which the effects of quantum mechanics are paramount, where position and momentum (which is mass times velocity for speeds much smaller than c) are sort of "fuzzy". Things are so strange at these small distances that common sense completely breaks down and you really need a good knowledge of quantum mechanics to be able to argue about it. I don't fault JF for bringing up the issue of people in the past claiming you couldn't go faster than 100 mph or the speed of sound. It is good that people question things. Physicists themselves are always questioning things. I always did in my physics courses and it turned out that what they taught makes sense and was verified by experiments that I myself conducted in laboratories. I followed the arguments given in the textbooks and analyzed them. I concluded that they were right. Einstein was forced to reconsider the validity of Newtonian physics (which still works quite well for normal everyday phenomenon). Lee and Yang questioned the premise that parity is conserved and they turned out to be right! The (occasional) violation of parity conservation was essential to explaining the otherwise puzzling decay of certain particles. Experimentalists are always trying to find problems with theory. That is how progress is made in science. You also have to remember that these laws were discovered by some very smart people. And you have to keep in mind experimental evidence and understand what it means. JF's counter-arguments to my responses reveal a need for him to take some physics courses. He is assuming too much about his knowledge of physics. Now there still may be some way found around the speed-of-light barrier, but if you follow my argument you will see that there is very, very little hope of ever doing so. >---o---< My argument makes the method of propulsion irrelevant. I'll try one more time: I was trying to explain how special relativity has been confirmed and how well the speed of light barrier has been tested. If you don't believe relativity, then maybe you believe the older "regular" physics. According classical mechanics (pre-relativity, Newtonian, whatever you want to call it), kinetic energy is given by KE = 0.5 m v**2 where KE is the kinetic energy (energy of motion), m is the mass, and v is the speed or velocity, if you will. THIS IS TRUE REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER MEANS OF PROPLUSION IS USED TO ACCELERATE A PARTICLE OR OBJECT. It is not true for relativistic speeds, as I will show below. However, it is still true that there is a definite relationship between the kinetic energy of a particle (or anything else) and its speed, and *this* is true regardless of whether you use relativistic or non-relativistic laws. Now, labs have accelerated electrons to have energies of at least 2 TeV. Let's go with 2 TeV. The rest mass of the electron is very close to 0.5 MeV. (MeV is a million electron volts -- an electron volt is the energy acquired by an electron after traversing a voltage difference of one volt -- TeV is a tera-ev, that is, a trillion (10**12) electron volts.) So, using the above formula, and neglecting the electron's rest mass on the left hand side, we get 2 TeV = 0.5 * 0.5 MeV * v**2 v**2 = 8 Tev / Mev v**2 = 8 * 10**6 v ~= 3 * 1000 Since we have been using units in which c = 1, this means v = 3000 c, or 3000 times the speed of light. Now, what happens when we measure the speed of 2 TeV electrons in the lab? We get a hair under the speed of light. So, NO MATTER HOW you propel the particle, as the kinetic energy increases without limit, the speed only approaches the speed of light. This, combined with numerous confirmations of the validity of special relativity, shows that even given all the available energy in the universe, your electron will still not be going as fast as the speed of light. Now, good luck with the space ship! Note 1: The relativistic relation between energy and speed properly reduces to the 0.5*m*v**2 when the speed involved is much smaller than the speed of light. Actually, E=mc**2 actually makes an appearence in this, but I digress. Note: Releativity has been confirmed even for slow objects, like jet planes. Atomic clocks were flown on jet planes in both directions around the world and the times were compared to similar atomic clocks on the ground. We are talking differencs on the order of nanoseconds here. And -- ta da! -- the results agree within the experimental precision to relativity theory. So it has been confirmed both for slow objects, like jet planes, and fast particles, and not-so-fast particles, that special relativity holds true. It has been cofirmed in other ways, too, but I have to stop somewhere! There is always a chance the there is some realm in which relativity does not apply, just like it was found that for very, very high speeds and/or very, very small distances, Newtonian physics does not apply. But I think after reading this you will admit that the odds of achieving faster-than-light space travel are indeed very slim. And I haven't even discussed the numerous problems involved with tachyons such as their imaginary mass, or serious causality problems, and such. Anyway, this is the case for the validity of the speed of light barrier. I doubt the case for the 100-mph or speed of sound barrier compares. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 16:29:25 -0800 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: Speed of light as speed limit (was Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw !) Message-ID: <1108600165.442626.163450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> JF Mezei wrote: > AEF wrote: > > This has nothing to do with how accelerators work. > > But this is my point. The only empirical "evidence" so far are > accelerators which are essentially glorified wind in sails. The sailboat Not true. Accelerators use electric fields to propel particles. Additionally, the acceleration produced by an electric field is independent of the speed of the particle. > can't go any faster than the wind speed, no matter how big its sail is > (how much energy it can receive from wind). As others have posted, not true. If the boat is aimed in a direction not parallel to the wind, the wind can keep pushing the boat even after the speed of the boat exceeds that of the wind (because the boat is going more or less "sideways" relative to the wind). > > a beam of light can be dim or extremely bright. Energy level is > different. But it still just travels at the speed of light and a solar > sail ain't going to go faster than whatever is pushing it. It's not a solar sail. > > My point is that a stationary device that sends energy to a body (such > as your accelerator) is not the same as a body having its own method of > accelerating by itself (such as a real spaceship which throws mass > behind it to accelerate itsefl forwards) > > > Again, this has nothing to do with how accelerators work. > > Exactly. My point is that accelerators do not simulate a spaceship > having its own propulsion system. It simulates a spaceship having a big > solar sail and relying on a stationary emitter of energy which travels > at a certain speed towards the sail and thus limits this ship to the > speed at which that energy travels. Having to eject fuel in the direction opposite to your desired direction of travel is actually an enormous disadvantage. Imagine sitting on a huge hockey puck on a very large area of smooth ice. Imagine it to be frictionless. Imagine the difficutly you would have in getting around -- both in accelerating (and braking) and steering. Now imagine being in an automobile trying to do the same things. Much easier in the auto as you can "push against" the entire earth while the hockey puck vehicle has to throw ballast overboard. And you'll run out of ballast quickly. If you load up with more ballast, you'll need even more ballast just to make the same maneuvers. That is why it takes a 6.5 million pound vehicle (the Saturn V) to propel a relatively tiny spacecraft to the moon. So you'll use your hands on the ice, but then you're more like the car, and less like a space ship. In any case, my argument holds independent of the method of propulsion. See my other recent post for the details. > > Well, JF, can you tell me what is limiting this wave? I assure you it > > is not a limitation of the device itself. You have no idea of how > > accelerators work. > > Aren't they glorified magnets pushing particles in vacuum ? No. The magnets are for steering and focusing. The accelerations are achieved with electric fields. > > What's relevant here is that these devices give the particles enough > > energy to travel at over a thousand times the speed of light > > A hydraulic piston is able to impart a huge amount of energy on a > object. But if it moves at 5km/h, no matter if the object is a golf ball > or a 18 wheel truck, neither will go faster than 5km/h because once they > have reached 5km/h, they go as fast as the piston and thus get no more acceleration. The electric fields don't move; the particle does. Your hung on the idea of collisions. That's not how accelerators work. Also, how did you get the piston up to 5 km/hour? According to you, you need something else that's already going 5 km/hour. But cars start at zero speed and somehow accelerate. Similarly, an accelerator starts with very slow electrons and accelerates them to very high speed. By setting up a suitable lever system, you can get a slow object to propel another object faster. If I set up a see-saw with the pivot point half way between the center and the end of the see-saw, I can move an object at the other end with three times the speed that I use on my end. > So your accelerators may unleash a huge amount of energy, 1000 times > what is needed to go to the speed of light, but if the energy travels at > speed of light, then it won't be able to accelerate the object faster > than that. (same as the hydraulic piston unleashing 1000 times what it > takes to accelerate a golf ball to 5km/h, but the golf ball will still > go just at 5km/h. No, because the particle actually gets all this energy. Actually, a lot more energy is needed just to run the magnets, but I digress. > > nothing to do with this limitation. If that's all it was then the > > physicists would simply increase the speed of the wave! > > Waves only travel at a certain speed relative to the object that creates > the wave. Your fancy accelerator magnets may be made up of a million > seperate magnets that are triggered in a sequence that goes above the > speed of light around the acceletor. But each magnet is still > stationary, and the magnetic wave it emits during the fraction of second > it is activated is still limited to the speed of a wave emitted by a > stationary magnet. Electric field, see above. > It is like having a million fans along a sailing course. You can trigger > the fans in a sequence that goes from one fan to the next very quickly, > but in the end the speed of the wind created by each fan still > determines how fast my sailboat will go. The triggering of fans in > sequence only saves you energy by only triggering the fans that are next > to me at any point in time. I am glad to see you questioning and showing interest in this, however, your arguments are not valid. See my other recent post for a more elaborate version of my argument. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 21:08:46 -0800 From: bhushann@gmail.com Subject: Status of devices Message-ID: <1108616926.135563.26840@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Hi, I am looking for the status of the device. For ex., online, mounted, offline. EXAMPLE, status of $2$DKA200: is mounted. How do I get the status programmatically by using lexicals or system_services. For example, sh sys shows as follows : Device Device Error Volume Free Trans Mnt Name Status Count Label Blocks Count Cnt DSA1: Mounted 0 STORM 8377605 1 2 DSA2: Mounted 0 FLAME 8377614 1 2 DSA3: Mounted 0 RAGE 8314776 1 2 DSA4: Mounted 0 TORNADO 7117524 10 2 DSA5: Mounted 0 TYPHOON 7117965 6 2 DSA6: Mounted 0 CYCLONE 7118037 6 2 DSA8: Mounted 0 INFERNO 8216604 1 2 DSA9: Mounted 0 ICE 1177587 61 2 $1$DUA0: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA1:) $1$DUA1: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA1:) $1$DUA2: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA2:) $1$DUA3: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA2:) $1$DUA4: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA3:) $1$DUA5: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA3:) $1$DUA6: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA4:) $1$DUA7: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA4:) $1$DUA8: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 11 (member of DSA5:) $1$DUA9: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 13 (member of DSA5:) $1$DUA10: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA6:) $1$DUA11: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA6:) $1$DUA12: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA9:) $1$DUA13: (HSJ001) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA9:) $1$DUA14: (HSJ001) Online 0 $1$DUA15: (HSJ001) Mounted 0 ALPHASYS 3772629 388 2 $2$DKA0: (FIRE) Online 0 $2$DKA100: (FIRE) Online 0 $2$DKA200: (FIRE) Mounted 0 VOL_2 4386519 1 2 $2$DKA400: (FIRE) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA8:) $2$DKA500: (FIRE) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA8:) $2$DKA600: (FIRE) Online 0 $3$DKA0: (FURY) Mounted 0 FURY_10279 3686876 2 1 $3$DKA600: (FURY) Online wrtlck 0 $3$DVA0: (FURY) Online 0 DNFS0: (FURY) Online 0 Rgds, Bhushi ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 21:41:11 -0800 From: bhushann@gmail.com Subject: Re: Status of devices Message-ID: <1108618871.565128.93770@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Thank you for your prompt reply Mezei. What I am looking for is, how to obtain all the other states the device could be in other than mount and not mounted. Rgds, Bhushi JF Mezei wrote: > bhushann@gmail.com wrote: > > How do I get the status programmatically by using lexicals or > > system_services. > > For lexicals, $HELP LEXICAL F$GETDVI > > For system services: $HELP SYSTEM $GETDVI > > example: status = F$GETDVI("$2$DKA200:","MNT") > > status is either true or false depending on whether the device is > mounted or not. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:27:50 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: TCPIP automatic route additions Message-ID: <42140F36.5EA92BD5@comcast.net> DeanW wrote: > [snip] > Is there a way to have TCPIP not automatically add routes that I don't want? > > If I put a permanent route in for 192.168.0/24 to go through the > default router, will that defeat the automatic routes being added? > (I'm dubious- note that the permenant route to the external net is > correct, the dynamic one has an incorrect bitmask...) I believe there is(was?) an option you can set somewhere to keep UCX from doing that. I just don't recall where... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:26:32 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Thoughts about VMS ECOs now in .PCSI$COMPRESSED form Message-ID: <42140EE7.AB9FDD93@comcast.net> JimStrehlow@data911.com wrote: > > H.P., is there a reason why you avoid the ZIP format? Like as not, its NIH syndrome. DCX predates VMS, AFAIK, and "belongs" to DEC and successors. The ZIP algorithm was made public domain by its developer, Phil Katz of PKware fame (PKZIP, PKUNZIP). I believe it is license-free, but I may be wrong on that. ZIP can be quite a bit more efficient than DCX. Compressed text libraries typically compress about 30% or so when passed through ZIP. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:47:34 GMT From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: VMS 8.2 Itanium Distribution Message-ID: In article , "Carl Bennett" wrote: >Hello all,,,, > > Seems that we just started getting out VMS 8.2 kit at work, but looking >at it, we only seem to have been shipped the Alpha dist... imagine my >dissapointment when I went looking for the right disk to stick in the >2600... has anybody started receiving the Itanium kit yet... > >Carl Itanium should take a week or so longer than alpha. Don't know the exact date off the top of my head. DVD production goes through a different process than the alpha CDs. (Yes, the VMS installation kit for Itanium is on DVD, not CD.) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 14:23:55 -0500 From: "Gareth V. Williams" Subject: VMS and Comcast cable modem Message-ID: <42139dcb@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu> At home I have a broadband Comcast connection via a cable modem. The home machine is a PW600au running VMS V7.3-2 and TCPIP V5.4-15: it is connected to the cable modem via a router (the wife's PC is also connected to this router via a firewall router). I use my connection very extensively to SSH to my work machines at all hours, so I leave the connection on permanently. As is common with ISPs, the IP address of the home machine is obtained via DHCP. For the past six weeks, this connection has been uninterrupted (the last time it was done was when I had to shut the machine down to replace some faulty memory cards): until four days ago, when my sessions into the work machines froze. The home machine continued to function: TCPIP SHOW INTER WE0 showed packets being sent and received, but I could not type anything into the remote windows and those windows were not updated. This has now happened about ten times since then. The problem can be fixed by logging out, logging in as SYSTEM, running TCPIP$SHUTDOWN and TCPIP$STARTUP, and then logging back in as myself. But this is damn inconvenient and I'd like to understand what is going wrong before contacting Comcast, whose technical support staff have a very PC-centric view of the world. Two causes spring to mind: 1) My ethernet card is failing. This seems a tad unlikely, as I would expect to see errors in TCPIP SHOW INTER WE0/FULL and there aren't any. 2) Comcast has reconfigured something and this is causing the VMS IP stack to "get confused". A quick comparison of TCPIP SHOW NAME output on a work and home machine shows a subtle difference: a) work machine output $ tcpip show name BIND Resolver Parameters Local domain: cfa.harvard.edu System State: Started, Enabled Transport: UDP Domain: cfa.harvard.edu Retry: 4 Timeout: 4 Servers: 131.142.10.1, 128.103.200.101 Path: No values defined b) home machine output $ tcpip show name BIND Resolver Parameters Local domain: hsd1.ma.comcast.net System State: Started, Enabled Transport: UDP Domain: hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Retry: 4 Timeout: 4 Servers: 204.127.202.19, 216.148.227.204 Path: hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Note the full stop (periods) at the end of Domain: and Path: Is this punctuation valid? I note that the domain name now displayed is different from what I remember it being in the past. So my questions are: 1) Is the BIND output a clue to the cause? 2) Is anyone else in the Boston area with a Comcast cable modem also experiencing connectivity problems? Gareth -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A. Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:18:38 +0000 (UTC) From: hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) Subject: Re: VMS and Comcast cable modem Message-ID: In article <42139dcb@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu>, "Gareth V. Williams" writes: !snip of problem explication! !2) Comcast has reconfigured something and this is causing the VMS IP ! stack to "get confused". A quick comparison of TCPIP SHOW NAME ! output on a work and home machine shows a subtle difference: ! ! a) work machine output ! ! $ tcpip show name ! ! BIND Resolver Parameters ! ! Local domain: xxx.harvard.edu ! ! System ! ! State: Started, Enabled ! ! Transport: UDP ! Domain: xxx.harvard.edu ! Retry: 4 ! Timeout: 4 ! Servers: xxx.xxx.xx.x, xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ! Path: No values defined ! ! b) home machine output ! ! $ tcpip show name ! ! BIND Resolver Parameters ! ! Local domain: xxxx.xx.comcast.net ! ! System ! ! State: Started, Enabled ! ! Transport: UDP ! Domain: xxxx.xx.comcast.net. ! Retry: 4 ! Timeout: 4 ! Servers: xxx.xxx.xxx.xx, xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ! Path: xxxx.xx.comcast.net. ! ! Note the full stop (periods) at the end of Domain: and Path: Is this !punctuation valid? I note that the domain name now displayed is !different from what I remember it being in the past. ! !So my questions are: ! !1) Is the BIND output a clue to the cause? ! I am using TCPware as my IP stack. From what I remember of TCP/IP Services, the BIND output looks a little odd. I'm used to seeing "No values defined" as a proper "value" for Path:. The domain value looks a little odd, too. The trailing "." may be incorrect, as well as the naming information _before_ "comcast.net". BTW, my bind server/domain information points to my firewall, not the "outside". My firewall's bind server/domain information points to the "outside". !2) Is anyone else in the Boston area with a Comcast cable modem also ! experiencing connectivity problems? ! I'm not experiencing any problems with Comcast in the Boston area, nor have I in the 3+ years that I've used a VMS machine from home. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2005 16:38:01 -0500 From: "Gareth V. Williams" Subject: Re: VMS and Comcast cable modem Message-ID: <4213bd39@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu> Gareth V. Williams wrote: : connected to the cable modem via a router (the wife's PC is also : connected to this router via a firewall router). I use my connection Terminology snafu. Should have read "connected to the cable modem via an ethernet switch (the wife's PC is also connected this switch via a firewall router)." I've received a number of e-mail responses, I will do some follow-up by e-mail. Gareth -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A. Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:53:41 -0500 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." Subject: Re: VMS and Comcast cable modem Message-ID: "Gareth V. Williams" wrote in message news:42139dcb@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu... > At home I have a broadband Comcast connection via a cable modem. The > home machine is a PW600au running VMS V7.3-2 and TCPIP V5.4-15: it is > connected to the cable modem via a router (the wife's PC is also > connected to this router via a firewall router). I use my connection > very extensively to SSH to my work machines at all hours, so I leave > the connection on permanently. As is common with ISPs, the IP address > of the home machine is obtained via DHCP. > > For the past six weeks, this connection has been uninterrupted (the last > time it was done was when I had to shut the machine down to replace some > faulty memory cards): until four days ago, when my sessions into the work > machines froze. The home machine continued to function: > TCPIP SHOW INTER WE0 showed packets being sent and received, but I could > not type anything into the remote windows and those windows were not > updated. This has now happened about ten times since then. The problem > can be fixed by logging out, logging in as SYSTEM, running TCPIP$SHUTDOWN > and TCPIP$STARTUP, and then logging back in as myself. But this is damn > inconvenient and I'd like to understand what is going wrong before > contacting Comcast, whose technical support staff have a very PC-centric > view of the world. > > Two causes spring to mind: > > 1) My ethernet card is failing. This seems a tad unlikely, as I would > expect to see errors in TCPIP SHOW INTER WE0/FULL and there aren't > any. > > 2) Comcast has reconfigured something and this is causing the VMS IP > stack to "get confused". A quick comparison of TCPIP SHOW NAME > output on a work and home machine shows a subtle difference: > > a) work machine output > > $ tcpip show name > > BIND Resolver Parameters > > Local domain: cfa.harvard.edu > > System > > State: Started, Enabled > > Transport: UDP > Domain: cfa.harvard.edu > Retry: 4 > Timeout: 4 > Servers: 131.142.10.1, 128.103.200.101 > Path: No values defined > > b) home machine output > > $ tcpip show name > > BIND Resolver Parameters > > Local domain: hsd1.ma.comcast.net > > System > > State: Started, Enabled > > Transport: UDP > Domain: hsd1.ma.comcast.net. > Retry: 4 > Timeout: 4 > Servers: 204.127.202.19, 216.148.227.204 > Path: hsd1.ma.comcast.net. > > Note the full stop (periods) at the end of Domain: and Path: Is this > punctuation valid? I note that the domain name now displayed is > different from what I remember it being in the past. > > So my questions are: > > 1) Is the BIND output a clue to the cause? > > 2) Is anyone else in the Boston area with a Comcast cable modem also > experiencing connectivity problems? > > Gareth > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A. > Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center > gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html > OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems I was having similar problems with Adelphia when they changed their lease times to 3 hours (and sometimes less). I would also lose telnet and ssh sessions from my pc and/or laptop. -John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:31:57 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: VMS and Comcast cable modem Message-ID: <4214102C.9C088873@comcast.net> "Gareth V. Williams" wrote: > > Gareth V. Williams wrote: > : connected to the cable modem via a router (the wife's PC is also > : connected to this router via a firewall router). I use my connection > > Terminology snafu. Should have read "connected to the cable modem via > an ethernet switch (the wife's PC is also connected this switch via > a firewall router)." Well, either way, you'll want to make sure that the firewall/router is between the cable modem and the switch. No system should be exposed directly to the internet without a valid reason, IMO. Cable Modem ---- Router/Firewall ---- Switch ---- Computer(s) -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:47:19 +0100 From: Didier MORANDI Subject: Re: VMS Group purchase process? Message-ID: <42139537.44F1D08E@spam.com> Marcello? D. David J Dachtera a *crit : > > Didier Morandi wrote: > > > > A question: > > > > What could be a purchase process to see HP sell the VMS Group to someone > > else? > > > > Send a letter to the interim CEO and ask for a rendez-vous? > > If you have the resources, I'm sure the current VMS exec.'s could direct > you to the proper people to open the negotiations. Coming soon: Unofficial SAP CRM Support Home Page -- Didier MORANDI - VMS Expert and SAP CRM Consultant 13 chemin du Gué - 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Switzerland Phone: +4179 8199735 - www.didiermorandi.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:57:44 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: VMS Group purchase process? Message-ID: Actually, VMS could make an excellent purchase for a large pension fund as long as it was extensively marketed. Didier MORANDI wrote: > next question is I do know of some Swiss Financers who are wondering > about spending some money in the best operating system ever produced, > mainly in this international security crisis... > > D. > > John Smith a *crit : > >> Didier Morandi wrote: >>> A question: >>> >>> What could be a purchase process to see HP sell the VMS Group to >>> someone else? >>> >>> Send a letter to the interim CEO and ask for a rendez-vous? >> >> Step 1: Have at least $2 billion in small unmarked bills before you >> call or write. >> >> Next question? >> >> -- >> OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:02:22 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: VMS Group purchase process? Message-ID: <4214093E.8F89800@comcast.net> Didier MORANDI wrote: > > Marcello? I was thinking Mark G., or even Sue! -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:20:53 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: [OT] Speed of light as speed limit (was Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw flaw Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Fairfield [mailto:my.full.name@intel.com]=20 > Sent: February 16, 2005 8:08 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: [OT] Speed of light as speed limit (was Re:=20 > DECW$CLOCK design flaw flaw flaw >=20 [snip lots of physics stuff ...] >=20 > -Ken > --=20 > I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me... >=20 > Ken Fairfield > D1C Automation VMS System Support > who: kenneth dot h dot fairfield > where: intel dot com >=20 >=20 Ken, Wow - it's amazing what backgrounds some folks have lurking in their resumes besides techie IT stuff. :-) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:08:12 -0800 From: Ken Fairfield Subject: Re: [OT] Speed of light as speed limit (was Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw flawf Message-ID: Dave Froble wrote: > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: > >> We can pulse the fields at just the right rhythm so that the >> particle is always on the downward slope as it passes each acceleration >> point. Again, there is no relativistic speed limit on our ability >> to pulse these fields. We can do it at 10 times the speed of light >> if we like. But if we do, the particle won't keep up. >> >> John Briggs > > > You're still pushing from the perspective of the pusher, not the particle. > > I know of no research done from the perspective of the particle, mainly > because we do not have the capability of being on a particle at > lightspeed relative to an outside observer. The real question, which at > this time we cannot answer, is what's possible relative to the particle > that's at or near lightspeed relative to an outside observer. > > It's been many years since I was into such, so be kind. Gads, I guess I'll have to step in here being an elementary particle physicist by training... We have a lot of examples of particles "traveling at light speed" and the effects of special relativity on them. If you'll allow me to switch the perspective just slightly, from "speed" to time, time dilation happens every day...to cosmic "rays". To points of fact: when cosmic rays (usually energetic protons) hit molecules in the upper atmosphere, a shower of secondary particles is produced, most of which are pions (a simple up-quark/down-quark pairing). These have a fairly short lifetime and decay quickly to muons (and neutrinos). All of the charged particle remnants of cosmic rays that we detect a sea level are muons. Now muons are moderately stable: they decay to an electron and two neutrinos with a mean lifetime of 2.6 microseconds. Now do the math: at the velocity of light, how far do you go in 2.6 microseconds? Ans: 3x10^8 m/s x 2.6x10^-6s = 780 m . That's a lot less than the 20km to 30km where these particle are formed. Therefore, that fact that muons are detected at sea level AT ALL proves time dilation is at work. That is, from the point of view of the muon itself, very much less than 2.6 microseconds has elapsed from when it was formed to when it arrives at the surface of the earth. The same effect allows the measurement of non-zero decay path lengths of exotic particles produced in accelerator experiments (google for SLAC BABAR and/or PEP II). Oh, and most of the remarks about "pushing" particles is flat wrong as well. What John referred to above (I think) is the fact the the phase velocity of waves can exceed the speed of light (but don't worry, only the group velocity carries information, so Einstein is still happy). In a particle accelerator, the electromagnetic fields inside of RF cavities are phased to match the velocity of the particles being accelerated (for electrons and positrons, that essentially c), so the particles "feel" a constant acceleration, even though their "speed" as measured in the rest frame of the accelerator is fixed (once you're above about 1 GeV energy). -Ken -- I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me... Ken Fairfield D1C Automation VMS System Support who: kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.095 ************************