INFO-VAX Fri, 11 Feb 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 84 Contents: "Feedback info less than 30 days old"? Please explain. Re: "Feedback info less than 30 days old"? Please explain. Re: "Feedback info less than 30 days old"? Please explain. Re: Curly soon to be out of a job ddis-e-tnf during upgrade Re: Decwindows resource names Re: Decwindows resource names Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg Re: fonts used by java applets Re: fonts used by java applets Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: HP should.... Re: HP should.... Re: HP should.... Re: HP should.... Re: HP should.... Re: HP should.... Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... 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Message-ID: <1108125991.816994.211370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In the 7.3-2 upgrade manual, it says to run sys$system:agen:feedback when the "feedback information is less than 30 days old". (page 87) How do I determine this? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:17:02 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: "Feedback info less than 30 days old"? Please explain. Message-ID: <1108127076.f4250fe33d55406ef075d08752c5e276@teranews> tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > > In the 7.3-2 upgrade manual, it says to > run sys$system:agen:feedback when the > "feedback information is less than 30 days old". > (page 87) > > How do I determine this? If you use @sys$update:autogen HELP it gives a description of the feedback mechanism. @SYS$update:autogen SAVPARAMS GENPARAMS FEEDBACK would do the trick. It generates a report AGEN$REPORT where the feedback uptime is listed. And it may even complain while it runs if you feedback is too short. (at which point you could manually run the AGEN$FEEDBACK utility). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:18:48 GMT From: Beach Runner Subject: Re: "Feedback info less than 30 days old"? Please explain. Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > >>In the 7.3-2 upgrade manual, it says to >>run sys$system:agen:feedback when the >>"feedback information is less than 30 days old". >>(page 87) >> >>How do I determine this? > > > If you use > @sys$update:autogen HELP it gives a description of the feedback mechanism. > > @SYS$update:autogen SAVPARAMS GENPARAMS FEEDBACK would do the trick. It > generates a report AGEN$REPORT where the feedback uptime is listed. And > it may even complain while it runs if you feedback is too short. (at > which point you could manually run the AGEN$FEEDBACK utility). It is saying the feedback file contained is over 30 days old. IF the workload and system hasn't changed, you can force autogen to use it by adding the word feedback as the 3rd autogen parameter. It could be a better choice if you need to run autogen, but you have a short up time or haven't had your full load. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 06:22:30 -0800 From: "greigaln@netscape.net" Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a job Message-ID: <1108131749.308235.146820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> >From today's "The Times" business pages, Michael Capellas is currently 4-1. Full odds as reported: John Joyce , head IBM Global Services 2-1 Vyomesh Joshi, HP Head os PCs 3-1 Michael Capellas 4-1 Ann Livermore HP head tech solutions 5-1 Odds provided by Paddy Power (who/what??) -- Alan Greig ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 08:32:52 -0800 From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com Subject: ddis-e-tnf during upgrade Message-ID: <1108139572.186563.89330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> I was trying to upgrade to 7.3-2 and I got this error: DDIS-E-TNF and a recommendation to abort. My web search indicates that I probably have a corrupt kit. I guess I should ask HP to send me another CD? ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 01:43:29 -0800 From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Decwindows resource names Message-ID: <1108115009.778490.158480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Jf Mezei wrote: > Tom M wrote: > > > > Where can I find the valid resource names for individual Decwindows > > applications (i.e. Decterm)? > > You have to bribe one of the engineers in charge of decwindows/decterm.... > A bribe is not needed if the answer is easy to find in the code (which it isn't always). It looks like the widget is called "vsb": w->output.v_scroll.widget = XmCreateScrollBar(w, "vsb", al, ac); and it looks like the colour is not explicitly set so you should be able to set it using the XmScrollBar resource names and a suitable set of wild-cards. Generally, when I want to set resources I start with a very general resource name to make sure I am having some effect and then try to narrow it down until I get the desired result - regardless of whether that ends up being overly general. Note that changing any resource that isn't either listed in one of the supplied .DAT files or mentioned in a document is not supported. Martin Kirby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:25:13 -0500 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Decwindows resource names Message-ID: There are also some tools in DECW$UTIL that can be used to get things like the names of widgets, and some of the resource names. Not perfect, but they can give you a hint. wrote in message news:1108115009.778490.158480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Jf Mezei wrote: > > Tom M wrote: > > > > > > Where can I find the valid resource names for individual Decwindows > > > applications (i.e. Decterm)? > > > > You have to bribe one of the engineers in charge of > decwindows/decterm.... > > > > A bribe is not needed if the answer is easy to find in the code (which > it isn't always). > > It looks like the widget is called "vsb": > > w->output.v_scroll.widget = XmCreateScrollBar(w, "vsb", al, ac); > > and it looks like the colour is not explicitly set so you should be > able to set it using the XmScrollBar resource names and a suitable set > of wild-cards. > > Generally, when I want to set resources I start with a very general > resource name to make sure I am having some effect and then try to > narrow it down until I get the desired result - regardless of whether > that ends up being overly general. > > Note that changing any resource that isn't either listed in one of the > supplied .DAT files or mentioned in a document is not supported. > > Martin Kirby > ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 06:52:53 GMT From: "Dave Weatherall" Subject: Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:43:14 UTC, "Guy Peleg" wrote: > > "Dave Weatherall" wrote in message > news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-EoHUH8vDJYHP@dave2_os2.home.ours... > > Guy > > following on from the discussions about how /ig=space > > does/should work, could we have a /ig=white_space qualifier? Why? > > Well, it would avoid the problems/confusion we discussed last time > > (how tabs are handled) but also consider > > > > call a_routine (a,b,c) > > versus > > call a_routine(a.b,c) > > > > The only difference is the leading space before the '('. Its personal > > preference and coding style but when I put the space in and diff > > against the original to ensure I've not broken anything, particularly > > if a learn-sequence is involved, there's a lot of visual checking that > > needs doing. > > > > The white-space qualifier would remove all spaces, tabs (nulls?), etc > > before comparing the lines. > > > > -- > > Cheers - Dave W. > > Requested noted ! > > Will be considered for next version (V8.3) > > Guy > Thanks. -- Cheers - Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 06:52:54 GMT From: "Dave Weatherall" Subject: Re: DIFF /ig=WHITESPACE request fo Guy Peleg Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:44:30 UTC, JF Mezei wrote: > Dave Weatherall wrote: > > call a_routine (a,b,c) > > versus > > call a_routine(a.b,c) > > > > The only difference is the leading space before the '('. > > Actually there is also the punctuation between the "a" and "b" arguments :-) Shows how important such a qualifier could be :-) -- Cheers - Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:22:00 +0000 (UTC) From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Re: fonts used by java applets Message-ID: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes in article dated 10 Feb 2005 20:19:23 -0600: >In this case I'm launching an applet from CSWB 1.4 on VMS 7.3-2 and >Motif 1.3-1 and it looks horrible. The text is overlapping, the >button text exceeds the button size, etc. The same applet looks fine >if done from a M$ box, but what good is that in the long run? > >Is there some way I can "import" M$ fonts to make this applet readable >on my VMS box? > >P.S. It's not my applet, and the tech support for those that wrote it >say use a M$ platform and all will be well. HA! Not in my world! How does it look if you use appletviewer (comes with JDK for VMS)? That's what I use when I need to run an applet on VMS. --Keith Lewis klewis {at} mitre.org The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 08:28:31 -0800 From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: fonts used by java applets Message-ID: <1108139311.898316.164800@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> > Is there some way I can "import" M$ fonts to make this applet readable > on my VMS box? I don't know about the Java side of things but from the DECwindows server aspects it should be possible. If the font is a TrueType font then, since you are on V7.3-2, yes it can be imported (sort of). Others have had success doing this, but when I tried it I failed, so these steps may need some experimentation. 1. You need to get hold of the font and check you can legally use it 2. You probably need to copy it as a binary file [I think this may be where I went wrong] and create a streamlf file, you want to create it in: "DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.USER_TRUETYPE]" 3. You need to create a DECW$FONT_DIRECTORY_USER_TRUETYPE.DAT (or it may be without the _USER_TRUETYPE, I'm not sure) in that directory that lists the font. Use the example in the TRUETYPE directory. I think the format is: count of fonts on 1 line each font on a line font file font specification 4. Use xset to tell the server to reload the font path You should be all set, and it should be available always in future so no need to repeat. --------- The "sort of" is because in V7.3-2 there are two known issues with using TrueType fonts. Some queries on TrueType fonts can crash the server. I have seen this with xlsfonts and the -ll qualifier where -l or -lll worked okay. There was a small memory leak in the server when changing the font path, if TrueType fonts had been loaded. Martin Kirby ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 01:06:02 -0800 From: "Slo" Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? Message-ID: <1108112762.246845.36510@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Your example works here fine: J9>show system/noproc OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node ZTREE 11-FEB-2005 08:53:44.45 Uptime 2 23:14:39 J9>SHOW SYMBOL GREP GREP == "SEARCH SYS$INPUT" J9>pipe SHOW DEVICE DKB100/FILES/NOSYSTEM | grep 00000239 Httpd 00000239 [PURVEYOR]PURVEYOR_CONTROLLER.COM;2 Httpd 00000239 [PURVEYOR]CONTROLLER_AXP.EXE;2 Httpd 00000239 [USER.HTTPD]HS050211.LOG;1 J9>pipe SHOW DEVICE DKB100/FILES/NOSYSTEM | grep PURV Httpd 00000239 [PURVEYOR]PURVEYOR_CONTROLLER.COM;2 Httpd 00000239 [PURVEYOR]CONTROLLER_AXP.EXE;2 Httpd 0001 0000024D [USER.HTTPD]PURVEYOR_WORKER.LOG;553 Httpd 0001 0000024D [PURVEYOR]PURVEYOR_WORKER.COM;2 I don't know why I chose SYS$INPUT over SYS$PIPE, but it's been years I've used it without surprises. However, there must subtle differences somewhere... You'll find both uses in: J9>sea sys$manager:*.com sea,sys$pipe J9>sea sys$manager:*.com sea,sys$input ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 01:09:27 -0800 From: "Slo" Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? Message-ID: <1108112967.841380.223430@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> >show device dkb1/files/nosys | grep 00004c6c did nothing for me. Could the cause be that you forgot to put "pipe" in front of this command? But then, you should have seen an error... ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 07:29:48 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP should.... Message-ID: In article <420C09D0.795A5F42@teksavvy.com>, Jf Mezei writes: > John Smith wrote: >> >> 1) Relaunch Alpha > > Out of curiosity, if relaunch were to happen, would relaunching Alpha > have any serious advantage over relaunching PaRisc ? 1) Alpha was always faster than PaRisc 2) Porting HP-UX to Alpha, running in big-endian mode would be easier than porting VMS to PaRisc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:52:20 -0500 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: HP should.... Message-ID: John Doe wrote: > Bill Todd wrote: > >>existing development group, no less) at Intel in mid-2001, and - had >>Tukwila not been canceled - would have taken at least 5.5 years to get >>it to market. > > > Working with a dog takes longer. And starting with an already-existing group takes shorter, so it balances out. Now, even if it took 5.5 years to get a > new up-to-date Alpha to the market, they could still do process shrinks > of EV7 and do some work at the system level to increase performance. Which I already noted. The point is that there's no particular reason to believe that an up-to-date Alpha in late 2010 would be worth the effort it took to reconstitute the resources necessary to develop it and then do so. There's a large difference between having been an industry leader for nearly 20 straight years and being a resurrection of a product which had been dead for quite some time while the rest of the industry caught up with and then surpassed it. > > Consider what it has taken 4.5 years between murder of Alpha and first > commercial version of VMS on that IA64 thing. It has been just over 3.5 years. But it's not clear what relevance either figure has to the question of reentering the leading-edge processor biz. And there isn't much > software available. If HP makes it clear that it now takes VMS seriously, there will be - long before 2010. > > So, if you're going to develop a new platform starting on 2006 when HP > announces the widthdrawal of IA64, it would take about 4 years to get > VMS to restart again. If you announce rebirth of Alpha, you are going to > take about as much time but meanwhile, you inherit the complete software > ecosystem which can grow during thsoe year sbecause VMS is already > available on Alpha, so is Linux. > > And consider SGI going Alpha, it would allow SGI to migrate immediatly > to Alpha since Alpha already exists. SGI has no reason to switch from what it's got now, unless Intel abandons Itanic. And if that happens, SGI will either die or switch to a faster processor than Alpha is likely to be before - again - late 2010. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:10:51 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: HP should.... Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:59:23 -0500, JF Mezei wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: >> The real >> value in the Digital component of HP is VMS, Alpha has lost all its >> value. > > There is one aspect of Alpha: installed base and available software, > much of which is no longer developped and thus not be available on > Alpha's successor. Continuing the Alpha processor ratins that software > whereas moving to a new platform requires VMS start from scratch with > software availability. > > Note that this is also a reason HP-UX customers are still buying PaRisc > based machines instead of that unwanted IA64 thing. But VMS is in a much > worse shape than HP-UX in terms of application ecosystem. Face it Alpha is dead. To make VMS a viable business it _will_ need to use a supplier for its chips such as Power /and/or Opteron. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:03:26 -0500 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: HP should.... Message-ID: Bill Todd wrote: > > 2. Port the OSs somewhere else. This might be fairly easy for VMS and > even Tru64, though perhaps harder for HP-UX (since Itanic was designed > with its needs in mind). "fairly easy for VMS"? Can I take a hit of what you are smoking? The large amounts of BLISS and especially Macro-32 code in OpenVMS make any port more difficult than a system like Tru64 with is mostly in C. We have more compilers to find/build. Happen to have a AMD64 BLISS compiler sitting around? And to the best of my knowledge, I don't know of anything in Itanium that was specially developed for HP-UX. The instruction set is pretty unbiased. Perhaps some of the memory management support... but if OpenVMS could retrofit our VAX/Alpha designs to Itanium, I'd suspect that HP-UX could handle that transition as well. HP-UX's big-endian design might be a better fit for POWER5 than for an X86 platform. -- John Reagan HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:17:34 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: HP should.... Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article <420C09D0.795A5F42@teksavvy.com>, Jf Mezei writes: >> John Smith wrote: >>> >>> 1) Relaunch Alpha >> >> Out of curiosity, if relaunch were to happen, would relaunching Alpha >> have any serious advantage over relaunching PaRisc ? > > 1) Alpha was always faster than PaRisc > 2) Porting HP-UX to Alpha, running in big-endian mode would be > easier than porting VMS to PaRisc. > Also how long would it take to port Tandem NSK to PA-RISC ? How close was the port to Alpha to completion when the decision to move to IA64 was made ? David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:27:35 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: HP should.... Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:17:34 +0000 (UTC), wrote: > Also how long would it take to port Tandem NSK to PA-RISC ? > How close was the port to Alpha to completion when the decision to move > to IA64 > was made ? Maybe the question that should be asked, is how long would it take to provide migration tools from NSK to VMS? Or alternatively, to whom can we sell Non-Stop business unit? I would give odds that HP will start shedding business units. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:25:38 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: <420C6BDE.10A66270@teksavvy.com> Suggestion for changes to recent news events: Carly could have announced she was quitting for personal reasons, and the next day, show up in London for the announcement that she was marrying Charles and would become Queen of England. (and with her leadership style, she would be the one in charge and would allow Charles to come along for the ride) :-) :-) The royals could them makes heaps of money reselling Royal Family branded IPODs, TVs , computers etc. And Carly would feel right at home with the royal Yacth, Train and Planes and of course the royal hairdressers :-) :-) :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:41:11 -0500 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:420C35FC.7AF3D631@teksavvy.com... > Very good article from Mike Kenellos at: > http://news.com.com/Fiorinas+fuzzy+vision/2010-1071_3-5569685.html?tag=st.prev > > I find it interesting to see how the media portray Fiorina. You can > really see those that just cover the surface, and those that have more > in depth knowledge. This article shows much more in depth knowledge than > the average report. > > BTW Seems John Smith was right about the hairdresser. > > And Capellas is still listed as a front runner. For christ's sake. I'm not sure where reporters get their information, but the business section of Thursday's "Toronto Star" puts ex Oracle exec Ray Lane at the top of the list. But apparently the board is also considering Michael "Curly" Capellas. Goes to so that what goes around, comes around. http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1107989413078 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:56:47 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:420C6BDE.10A66270@teksavvy.com... > Suggestion for changes to recent news events: > > Carly could have announced she was quitting for personal reasons, and > the next day, show up in London for the announcement that she was > marrying Charles and would become Queen of England. (and with her > leadership style, she would be the one in charge and would allow Charles > to come along for the ride) :-) :-) > > The royals could them makes heaps of money reselling Royal Family > branded IPODs, TVs , computers etc. > > And Carly would feel right at home with the royal Yacth, Train and > Planes and of course the royal hairdressers :-) :-) :-) :-) Too late, he announced he is marrying CPB ! Dr. Dweeb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:36:48 -0500 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: Intrusion attempts Message-ID: Thanks Peter that works great Funny I didn`t think about it, wildcards work in so many places... BTW I found the culprit: A new employee was following the procedure but the procedure was obsolete. The username in there did not exist anymore. I will now add the output from the AUDIT command to the email I get when the automatic procedure unlocks the port. Thanks to all who responded. -- Syltrem OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4 http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en français) ---zulu is not in my email address--- "Peter Weaver" a écrit dans le message de news:371p6gF55pr5oU1@individual.net... > Syltrem wrote: > >... > > Is there any way to make a selection only for the address > > [165.110.40.1] when using the ANALYZE/AUDIT command? > > Now I use /since and /before around the time intrusion record were > > deleted by the procedure, but it is not exact. > > Examples of the variations of the Terminal name string : > > Terminal name: _VTA3660, [166.110.40.1] > > Terminal name: VTA3662, _NTY4632, [166.110.40.1] > > Terminal name: VTA1471, _NTY1613, [166.110.40.1] > > Terminal name: _VTA3664, [166.110.40.1] > >... > > > /SELECT=TERMINAL=*166.110.40.1* should work for you. > > Have you considered that maybe the device (or one of the handhelds that > plug into it) is babbling and sending out garbage from time to time to > cause the login attempts? > > -- > Peter Weaver > Weaver Consulting Services Inc. > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX > www.weaverconsulting.ca > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:06:04 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... Message-ID: "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:420BDF9C.15823C25@teksavvy.com... > Kenneth Farmer wrote: > > OK, so the World Cup would be another great opportunity to get the word out. > > However, I am not certain that the World Cup is similar to Superbowl. I > think that there are many broadcasters involved for each country it is > seen. A bit like the olympics. So viewership is divided and no > broadcaster gets a huge concentration of viewers even though the total > number of viewers may dwarf the USA events. > Indeed, it dwarfs them by a great deal. Ask "Philips" who had the advertising sign behind the goal the day Gordon Banks pulled off one of footballs most miraculous saves. Aside from the millions who saw it live, it has been replayed about 47 million times in the intervening 30+ years - and Philips gets there name there every time ! > So while the Superbowl or the so called "world-cup" may be very USA > centric, they still concentrate a lot of viewer to a single network. So > a single ad purchased from one network will reach a lot more viewers in > Superbowl than buying a single ad from one network airing World Cup. > > The thing about Superbowl is that it isn't so much a sporting event, it > is an advertising event. It is a competition for the best ads. The ads > are actually watched, so they have great potential. And people talk > about the ads for days after the event. > That is a newer phenomenon, possibly started because of the Apple MAC success. Also, I suspect that a great many American Footbal fans would choose to disagree on the sporting v. marketing issue. > (Heck, GoDaddy,.com got its second ads pulled at the last minute because > the Football league decided it was too racy (it was a spoof on last > year's Janet Jackson event). They didn't even have time to call GoDaddy > to advise of their decision. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:40:24 -0500 From: "warren sander" Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.2 (online) Communications Seminar Message-ID: <420cfc2f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com> Go to the 'rack solutions home page' http://h30140.www3.hp.com/ (from the 'HP Enterprise Configurator' http://h30099.www3.hp.com/configurator/ you can pick integrity servers and pick 'configure' and its the first link in the middle of the page) And yes we know that OpenVMS doesn't show up yet. It's being worked. It has to do with publishing schedules etc. anyway. from the Rack Solutions you can pick 'information library' in the left nav which has some good stuff -warren "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote in message news:420B8C51.4993.1AB01801@localhost... > On 10 Feb 2005 at 15:38, Dave Froble wrote: > > 3) Purchase some light weight steel angle and some bolts, nuts, and > > washers. > > You must have not seen a rx2600. Make those heavy-weight steel > angles... > > --Stan Quayle > Quayle Consulting Inc. > > ---------- > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ +1 614-868-1363 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH 43147 USA > stan-at-stanq-dot-com http://www.stanq.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 08:54:15 -0800 From: eliediamonds@gmail.com Subject: Partnership Opportunity Message-ID: <1108140855.132337.133020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Partnership Opportunity Hello, I am with a manufacturer of fine jewelry and am currently looking for those interested in forming a partnership to sell jewelry on eBay or anywhere else. I work for Elie International, a manufacturer of fine jewelry located in the heart of the diamond district in New York City. We have been in the jewelry business for over 23 years and are registered with the Jewelers Board of Trade (JBT registration # 01222207) and Dunne & Bradstreet. For the first time in our company's history we are looking to build partnerships with individual sellers. We hold an extensive stock of over 24,000 items and need vendors to keep it moving. By selling our merchandise on eBay, or to family and friends, we become your partner not your competitor and offer you fine jewelry at wholesale prices which are a FRACTION of what YOUR CUSTOMERS pay in retail stores. We understand that many buyers are apprehensive about paying for merchandise up front, and we have devised our Direct Purchase Partnership program with these concerns in mind. Our Guaranteed Movers Policy states that if you cannot sell one of our items within 6 months we will exchange it. This insures that you are never stuck with merchandise you can't sell. We want to strongly emphasize that this is a partnership and we offer our partners the full support that they need, including pictures, prices and descriptions of all merchandise to get them started. Please contact us via e-mail at elieint@aol.com or at (212) 719-0090 if you are interested or have any questions and please include where you saw this message. Thank You ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:51:14 -0600 From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM Message-ID: <05021109511463@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com> Roy Omond wrote: > When SYSHUTDWN.COM gets invoked, if it does: > > $ delete/symbol P1 > . > . > $ delete/symbol P8 Thanks! Now I do not have to change SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM John "REBOOT" Brandon VMS Systems Administrator firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:32:38 +0000 (UTC) From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Re: SEARCH on a collection of files Message-ID: "Tom Linden" writes in article dated Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:00:56 -0800: >If you are searching a collection of files specified with >wild card, how do you expose the file name when a match occurs? > >For example >pipe anal/image sys$library:*.EXE | sear sys$pipe fort > >does prepend the filename when a match occurs One trick I've used for search output is to search for something I know will be in the filename, such as ":[". So... $ pipe anal/image sys$library:*.EXE | sear sys$pipe/mat=or fort,":[" And if that's too much output for you, you can put it back through another search command with /WINDOW=(2,0). You have to use a tempfile for this, though. Too bad "PIPE ... | SEARCH SYS$PIPE:/WINDOW=(2,0)" doesn't work. --Keith Lewis klewis {at} mitre.org The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:56:28 +0100 From: Subject: SLS dead Message-ID: <420cd756$0$1268$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> From the latest OpenVMS roadmap PDF, document, dated February 2005 : Storage Library System V2.9J (Q1 2005) will contain support for VMS V7.3-2 and V8.2 on Alpha Only. Subsequent releases will concentrate on remedial fixes and support for new versions of OpenVMS. There will be no support for new tape devices after V2.9H timeframe, and no new features will be introduced. No port to Integrity is planned. This, as far as I know, is a complete change of directions regarding this product. I didn't know before, and the only place where I saw it is this PDF. Although I have this product under support contract, I have never been informed officially. Many other customers are probably in the same situation. I have been asked by a fellow HP employee to write Mark Gorham about this and state my disagreement. Perhaps other dissapointed customers should do the same ? Marc Van Dyck. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:03:34 +0100 From: Subject: SLS dead Message-ID: <420cd756$1$1268$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> From the last OpenVMS roadmap PDF document, dated february 2005 : Storage Library System V2.9J (Q1 2005) will contain support for VMS V7.3-2 and V8.2 on Alpha Only. Subsequent releases will concentrate on remedial fixes and support for new versions of OpenVMS. There will be no support for new tape devices after V2.9H timeframe, and no new features will be introduced. No port to Integrity is planned. This looks like a complete change of directions for this product. And for me, it looks like a disaster, specially the decision to abandon the port. I got this info from the abovementionned PDF document, distributed to me in through an unofficial channel. The info did not appear anywhere else I know. But kindlt asked, H.P. confirmed. How many other customers are impacted but still not aware of it ? A fellow H.P. employee urged me to write my concerns and disagreement directly to Mark Gorham, which I will do. Perhaps other impacted customers should do the same ? Marc Van Dyck. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 07:32:04 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: So how big a parachute did she have? Message-ID: In article <420BE3C3.43D668B9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > And in french, it is Nucléaire So outside of Crawford it would become newcule-air ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 07:02:15 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS! Message-ID: <1108134135.802030.278400@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> this article states that this new version of swift is replacing the old one ... http://www.banktech.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=17603248 ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 15:34:29 GMT From: "Doc." Subject: Re: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS! Message-ID: %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, wrote in news:1108134135.802030.278400 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com > this article states that this new version of swift is replacing > the old one ... > http://www.banktech.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=17603248 On unix. Quote: "By early 2003 Wachovia had a plan for the overall transition to SWIFTNet, and the company installed Connect:Direct for SwiftNET mid-year on Sun Unix hardware. "It was very straightforward to set up," Durocher says." Doc. -- OpenVMS: Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. http://www.openvms-rocks.com Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:53:26 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Swiftnet banking available for OpenVMS! Message-ID: <17qdnQDcso_wSpHfRVn-1Q@igs.net> bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > this article states that this new version of swift is replacing > the old one ... > > http://www.banktech.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=17603248 Slightly different stuff than I'm talking about. Swift is replacing their x.25 network, going to an IP-based one. The Sterling product deals with 'batched' file transfers. I deal with 'near-time'/'real-time' trading & STP issues (sorry about that you 'hard' read-time guys out there - it clearly means different things in different industries). This is a message-passing environment, not a batch file transfer - one message, one transaction. -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 05 12:47:42 GMT From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Subject: Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem Message-ID: In article , Howard Shubs wrote: >In article <-YCdnSQzb4pVwpbfRVn-sg@rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >> In article , >> Howard Shubs wrote: >> >In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> > >> >> Why don't you wait until you get everything you need? Then >> >> pick the word you used the most often. >> > >> >I should name a VAX "THE"? >> > >> That's not the most common adjective I used. > >Barb, you said "word", not adjective. :-D I stand [emoticon virtually becomes vertical] corrected :-)). /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:30:39 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: VMS Opportunity? Message-ID: http://tinyurl.com/3r47s -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:02:49 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: VMS Opportunity? Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/3r47s It's part of the Microsoft 'Virus Everywhere' initiative. -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:03:29 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: What universities (and the IT Branch) could be doing (was: Why aren't more unive Message-ID: <420c9101$0$18556$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> Tom Linden wrote: > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:52:11 -0500, John Smith wrote: > >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> >>> In article , >>> "Tom Linden" writes: >>> >>>> On 10 Feb 2005 14:23:45 GMT, Bill Gunshannon >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> As for PL/1, it is not readily available on the majority of machines >>>>> the students work with so they are very unlikely to become familiar >>>>> enough with it to actually use it. >>>> >>>> >>>> It is available on Windows, AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, Linux/x86, Tru64 >>>> and VMS, The Windows version from IBM is about $180, >>> >>> >>> That works out to about $5000 for one lab. Add onto that another >>> $3000 for faculty machines. And what exactly do I use to justify >>> that kind of spending? I barely have enough budget to keep up to >>> date with the hard and software we have to run. Contrary to popular >>> belief, with the exception of the MIT's, CMU's and UCB's, universities >>> are not overflowing with money. >>> >>>> Don't know what Liant >>>> charges, >>> >>> >>> I don't either, but it wouldn't much matter as it is bound to be more >>> than I can justify. >> >> >> >> Kermit's PC VT emulation to the VAX is all you'd need....correct, Tom? >> > PuTTY is free and that is all you need:-) >> >> OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. >> I would like to expand on these ideas more. Why couldn't several universities form an *open consortium* for putting time-sharing systems (including an OpenVMS Cluster) onto the Internet for classroom use. Other organisations (such as Encompass and HP) could also sponsor their preferred technologies with money, expertise and/or licenses. Other companies (Steel, Auto, Medical etc.) or organisations (military or scientific) could then sponsor those technologies on which they are dependent. A rather large collection of resources (to enrich the learning possibilities of students beyond the resources of any one university) could be put together and coordinated with a web-based reservation system. The necessary network connections and terminal-emulation software is generally already installed and available at all universities. IBM, Sun and HP would get a chance to show off their current Utility Based Computing concepts (on Demand, Adaptive Enterprise, Grid Computing), and consulting and development firms would get a chance to establish long-lasting relationships with students by providing their resources to the consortium. They would of course need to follow a consortium policy not to provide help directly to a student that isn't reported to and OKed by the relevant professor. Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2005 06:53:47 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: What universities (and the IT Branch) could be doing (was: Why aren't more u Message-ID: <1108133627.475223.30740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> question for you Keith ... I emailed IBMs ceo and posted the letter I got back in response here on this site about a year ago ... IBM basically thinks vms is not worth the investment ... why? NIH syndrome (not invented here) or just plain stupidity? Do they understand what a market vms on power would be? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:45:13 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation? Message-ID: <05021101451376_27001146@antinode.org> From: "John E. Malmberg" > [...] > UNZIP should have the option of forcing case UP/DOWN. When would restoring what's in the archive be worse than artificially setting the case at restoration? (An ODS2 destination still forces case up, and the new Zip should be able to preserve upper case as well as any other.) I expect to add an UnZip command-line option to force the same old ODS2-compatible file name simplification even when the destination is actually ODS5, but the default would be to keep the fidelity as high as possible. > There is a need for handling multiple dots in a filename differently > than the current behavior. > > foo.1.html needs to be restored as foo_1.html for most VMS based > browsers to be able to display it. > > The same is the case for many source modules with multiple dots in them. Isn't this what UnZip does now? So far as I can tell, it takes any character it doesn't like and substitutes "_". That seems to include dots in directory names and non-last dots in file names. What do _you_ think it does? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda (+1) 651-699-9818 382 South Warwick Street sms@antinode-org Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:38:19 -0500 From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation? Message-ID: Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: "John E. Malmberg" > >>[...] >>UNZIP should have the option of forcing case UP/DOWN. > > > When would restoring what's in the archive be worse than artificially > setting the case at restoration? There are some programs that have problems with lowercase filenames on ODS-5 devices. >>There is a need for handling multiple dots in a filename differently >>than the current behavior. >> >>foo.1.html needs to be restored as foo_1.html for most VMS based >>browsers to be able to display it. >> >>The same is the case for many source modules with multiple dots in them. > > Isn't this what UnZip does now? So far as I can tell, it takes any > character it doesn't like and substitutes "_". That seems to include > dots in directory names and non-last dots in file names. What do _you_ > think it does? UNZIP and VMSTAR now treat the first dot as delimiting the extension and replace subsequent dots with "_". Thus foo.1.html UNZIPs to be foo.1_html. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:00:55 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation? Message-ID: <05021109005496_27001145@antinode.org> From: "John E. Malmberg" > >>UNZIP should have the option of forcing case UP/DOWN. > > > > When would restoring what's in the archive be worse than artificially > > setting the case at restoration? > > There are some programs that have problems with lowercase filenames on > ODS-5 devices. Example? (What could go wrong?) > >>There is a need for handling multiple dots in a filename differently > >>than the current behavior. > >> > >>foo.1.html needs to be restored as foo_1.html for most VMS based > >>browsers to be able to display it. > >> > >>The same is the case for many source modules with multiple dots in them. > > > > Isn't this what UnZip does now? So far as I can tell, it takes any > > character it doesn't like and substitutes "_". That seems to include > > dots in directory names and non-last dots in file names. What do _you_ > > think it does? > > UNZIP and VMSTAR now treat the first dot as delimiting the extension and > replace subsequent dots with "_". > > Thus foo.1.html UNZIPs to be foo.1_html. Are you joking? alp $ unzip -v UnZip 5.51 of 22 May 2004, by Info-ZIP. Maintained by C. Spieler. Send bug reports using http://www.info-zip.org/zip-bug.html; see README for details. [...] alp $ unzip -t abc.zip Archive: ALP$DKA0:[SMS]ABC.ZIP;1 testing: a.b.c OK No errors detected in compressed data of ALP$DKA0:[SMS]ABC.ZIP;1. alp $ unzip abc.zip Archive: ALP$DKA0:[SMS]ABC.ZIP;1 extracting: a_b.c alp $ dire /date /prot /size a_b.c Directory ALP$DKA0:[SMS] A_B.C;1 1 11-FEB-2004 08:58:53.00 (RWED,RWD,R,R) Total of 1 file, 1 block. I'll admit: alp $ vmstar tf ABC.TAR a.b.c alp $ vmstar xvf ABC.TAR Feb 11 08:58:53 2004 6 [SMS]a.b_c .. but I wasn't asking about VMSTAR. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda (+1) 651-699-9818 382 South Warwick Street sms@antinode-org Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:24:02 -0600 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: Zip 3.0 v. ODS5: Preferences for case preservation? Message-ID: In article <05021109005496_27001145@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > From: "John E. Malmberg" > > > >>UNZIP should have the option of forcing case UP/DOWN. > > > > > > When would restoring what's in the archive be worse than artificially > > > setting the case at restoration? > > > > There are some programs that have problems with lowercase filenames on > > ODS-5 devices. > > Example? (What could go wrong?) MMS has trouble processing implicit rules when the filenames are not all upper case. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.084 ************************