INFO-VAX Thu, 10 Feb 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 81 Contents: Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired fired Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired fired Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired fired Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? RE: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Re: carly(tm) does Davos - selling HP..er... Apple iPods on the slopes slopesslo Re: carly(tm) does Davos - selling HP..er... Apple iPods on theslopes CEO definition, was: Wayman's bio Couldn't have said it better myself @openvms.org Curly 2: the axeman returneth Re: Curly 2: the axeman returneth Re: Curly 2: the axeman returneth Re: Curly 2: the axeman returneth Re: Curly 2: the axeman returneth Re: Curly soon to be out of a job Dvorak on whatshername Re: Full page color HP ad for grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? Re: grep on openVMS? how to turn $6 into $6000! read this! how to turn $6 into $6000! read this! Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 One heck of a quote Re: One heck of a quote Re: OT- Like IBM stock when it was $1 Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM\ Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM\ Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM\ Re: Serving a different boot disk So how big a parachute did she have? Re: So how big a parachute did she have? Re: So how big a parachute did she have? Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem Re: VMS in medical business Re: VMS in medical business RE: VMS in medical business Re: VMS in medical business Re: VMS in medical business Re: VMS in medical business Re: VMS in medical business Re: Why aren't more universities doing this? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:34:35 -0500 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help Message-ID: <110l3fhd9oguk48@corp.supernews.com> tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > If I issue the command: > > INIT DKA100: TEST > > it works but then: > > MOUNT DKA100: TEST > > reports that the disk is offline. Frustrating. > > Feeling the top of the drive, it feels cooler than the RZ26L that is > mounted at the back of the enclosure. So, I am not sure these drives > would need extra cooling if they worked. > Me thinks you may have a bad drive. Or was that issue previously discussed? Have you tested the drive on another system? Do you have another drive you can test with? Dave ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 17:25:32 -0800 From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com Subject: Re: AXP 150: trying to upgrade disk, need help Message-ID: <1107998732.752541.253350@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Dave Froble wrote: > tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > > > If I issue the command: > > > > INIT DKA100: TEST > > > > it works but then: > > > > MOUNT DKA100: TEST > > > > reports that the disk is offline. Frustrating. > > > > Feeling the top of the drive, it feels cooler than the RZ26L that is > > mounted at the back of the enclosure. So, I am not sure these drives > > would need extra cooling if they worked. > > > > Me thinks you may have a bad drive. Or was that issue previously > discussed? Have you tested the drive on another system? Do you have > another drive you can test with? > > Dave I do have another to test with. But, both drives were recently removed from an AlphaStation 400. They had functioned as a reliable system disk shadowset for years. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:59:54 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired fired Message-ID: <1107974901.2e711b5a0f049d423439d3a98159ede6@teranews> FredK wrote: > The key here is "interim". I would expect that in that capacity he will not > make > major changes in strategy - that is a job for the next CEO. The question > really > is what the board thinks the strategy should be, and that will lead to who > they > finally pick and the direction things go. I agree. (oh no, the sky MUST be falling ...:-) And it hinges on the real reasons for her departure (what did they disagree on). For a company such as HP, there are some really big existentialist questions ahead. Are they to be split and/or organised along consumer vs business product lines ? Is there any synergy between the two ? And one must also look at the "channel". Do HP printers benefit from the PC distrribution channel or vice versa or are they pretty much independant ? Does HP want to do away with the 1980s "channel" for its PCs and sell direct to compete against Dell ? What sort of impact would have on the printer business ? So, whether Printers should be kept or not, and of spun off, what printers should take with them isn't such an easy question. Right now, HP is right where IBM was just before Gerstner got the job at IBM. IBM had already hired investment bankers to split itself up into multiple companies, with many names already decided. He was able to put a stop to this. In his book, there is no mention of big battles with the board to keep IBM as one, nor is there one about the board choosing him with a manadate to keep IBM as one. His mandate was to save IBM from bankrupcy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:00:26 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired fired Message-ID: <1107978530.0c46718b3c57843aeeddaa5a8d83aad5@teranews> John Smith wrote: > Carly was all for keeping the company together - it was her 'get big and > grow' vision. > > If there were disagreements at the Board level, then this was probably it > because nothing else (except perhaps plasma TV's and iPod's and that > direction) was big enough to get her kicked out. One can take an alternate view: The "pro breakup" are saying that HP would be worth more if split up. What that really means is that the non-printer business is underperforming. The disagreements may be because Carly is simply not competant to fix the broken parts and she just wants the glamour. (I posted a message about that , a quote from Gerstner's book a few days ago "Elephants can dance" which has become that much more relevant with today's news). Gerstner had the same issues when he was brought in. But he saw the company as a whole having more value if one were able to fix the broken parts inside it. And that is what he did. Carly failed to leverage the enterprise busines it got from Compaq. Many would argue that Compaq was just a name. It didn't have any wintel customers (except the "channel"). It had enterprise business inherited from tandem and digital. And Carly failed to take the dramatic steps needed to restructure the PC business. I don't meanmusical chairs games of who gets to direct that division this week. I mean taking tough decisions of whether you drop the channel and go direct sales to go head to head with Dell or not. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:00:40 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Bets being taken on Itanic survival [was] Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired fired Message-ID: <420ACE58.7A26AA2@comcast.net> John Smith wrote: > > Colin Butcher wrote: > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21175 > > Now that the financial guy is in charge on an interim basis, as an agent of > change, and has an intimate understanding of what really costs what - are > there any takers that HP will step away from Itanic, and possibly enterprise > computing altogether? Enterprise is about the only place where HP makes any decent profit (imagine how much more they could make or could have been making, had it not been for the Alphacide!). I doubt they'll make any big changes here before the new CEO is firmly ensconced. > What's the betting line on HP being split into a printer/ink company and a > separate computer company? I think the odds just got considerably shorter. I'd tend to agree, but I'd be inclined to think that just to cut their losses, they'd be likely to cede the desktop space to Dell, and the hand-held space to the cell-phone industry (Motorola?). VMS could be spun off into its own unit. That unit would then be free to work not only with HP, but with Dell and IBM in the Itanic and/or x86-64 space, and with Samsung in the Alpha space (to perpetuate Alpha until the market selects a direction in the Itanic / x86-64 choice). THEN, my fine friends, we'd be in a great position to see what impact the new "Cell" CPU has on the market in the Enterprise space. Imagine Cell-based Enterprise class systems all linked together the way Alpha CPU chassis and CPUs are linked in the GS1280. Imagine entire groups of Cell-based systems, all participating in a single VMS instance - think of START CPU and STOP CPU as causing an entire Cell-based box to begin or cease participating in a single VMS instance. I was fairly burnt to start with, but that just blew my circuits! So many possibilities, so few probabilities... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:58:55 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Message-ID: In article <1107972718.571027.53640@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, simonvarley@hotmail.com says... > In looking through the MQSeries docs and scouring the Web, I've not > been able to answer the question of whether two different and > geographically separate hosts can communicate if one uses MQSeries and > the other does not? > > Thanks > Simon MQseries is a layered application (middleware) that runs on top of TCP/IP. (I don't know if it runs on any other transports as well.) It doesn't block any other form of TCP/IP (or DECnet or LAT or X.25 or SCS or ...) communications. Both hosts must have MQSeries installed, in order to communicate using MQSeries. Both hosts must have TCP/IP installed to communicate using TCP/IP. Both hosts must have DECnet installed to communicate using DECnet. Nothing prevents a host from having more than one type of network transport installed, or more than one layered network application installed. -- John ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 11:05:26 -0800 From: simonvarley@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Message-ID: <1107975926.738276.26850@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> OK, so if I have a TCP/IP application on system A - that does not have MQSeries and I have MQSeries over TCP/IP running on system B, the only thing system A's TCP/IP application needs is the msg interface spec for MQSeries and we're good to go? If that's the case where is that msg format defined ? -- Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:11:40 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Message-ID: John Santos wrote: > In article <1107972718.571027.53640@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > simonvarley@hotmail.com says... >> In looking through the MQSeries docs and scouring the Web, I've not >> been able to answer the question of whether two different and >> geographically separate hosts can communicate if one uses MQSeries >> and the other does not? >> >> Thanks >> Simon > > MQseries is a layered application (middleware) that runs on top of > TCP/IP. (I don't know if it runs on any other transports as well.) > > It doesn't block any other form of TCP/IP (or DECnet or LAT or X.25 > or SCS or ...) communications. > > Both hosts must have MQSeries installed, in order to communicate > using MQSeries. Both hosts must have TCP/IP installed to communicate > using TCP/IP. Both hosts must have DECnet installed to communicate > using DECnet. Nothing prevents a host from having more than one > type of network transport installed, or more than one layered network > application installed. No message queue product on each end = no message passing. There was some discussion years ago about message queue product interoperability (ie. MQ, DECmessageQ, MSMQ, and a couple others) but I never followed the discussions to know whether they ever came to any agreements. We standardized on MQ. -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 11:46:50 -0800 From: simonvarley@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Message-ID: <1107978410.328164.180900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> OK, I have to have MQ on both systems. That's a pity since for me MQ is just an additional layer duplicating the stuff I have in my existing applications. Hopefully, there is someway to get it to passthrough without being too much of a resource hog. I'll find out during the MQ training class I'll have to schedule. --- Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:11:06 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Message-ID: simonvarley@hotmail.com wrote: > OK, I have to have MQ on both systems. > > That's a pity since for me MQ is just an additional layer duplicating > the stuff I have in my existing applications. Hopefully, there is > someway to get it to passthrough without being too much of a resource > hog. I'll find out during the MQ training class I'll have to schedule. Don't knock it. MQ is extremely good at what it does - asynchronous store/foreward message queueing. If you have a need for it, use it. Learn about its capabilities. -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:31:27 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: simonvarley@hotmail.com [mailto:simonvarley@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: February 9, 2005 1:12 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? >=20 > In looking through the MQSeries docs and scouring the Web, I've not > been able to answer the question of whether two different and > geographically separate hosts can communicate if one uses MQSeries and > the other does not? >=20 > Thanks > Simon >=20 Simon, To communicate, each host must agree on the protocols to be used. If one is using the proprietary protocols of MQ Series, then that is what the other host must also use. On OpenVMS, you can use MQ Series V5.3 as well, but if you are looking for other compatible App messaging options, you may want to consider the SpiritSoft app messaging products. They are JMS industry std based, but also have a MQ Series adapter as well. Reference: http://www.spiritsoft.com Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 13:24:20 -0800 From: "Mission Critical Consulting, LLC" Subject: Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Message-ID: <1107984260.055389.124570@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Having worked with MQSeries 5.2 on OpenVMS, I was very disappointed with the lack of tools available for it on OpenVMS. IBM ported the core product, but not the tools. Their documentation is pretty good though. As Mr. Main mentioned, there are other messaging products that have MQSeries adapters available. I think TIBCO does. However, unless you already have a corporate messaging backbone that has an MQSeries adapter, getting MQSeries would avoid any possible differences that an adapter may have. I would recommend investigating QN-AppWatch and QN-StatWatch from Reconda (www.reconda.com) for MQSeries management. Main, Kerry wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: simonvarley@hotmail.com [mailto:simonvarley@hotmail.com] > > Sent: February 9, 2005 1:12 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? > > > > In looking through the MQSeries docs and scouring the Web, I've not > > been able to answer the question of whether two different and > > geographically separate hosts can communicate if one uses MQSeries and > > the other does not? > > > > Thanks > > Simon > > > > Simon, > > To communicate, each host must agree on the protocols to be used. If one > is using the proprietary protocols of MQ Series, then that is what the > other host must also use. > > On OpenVMS, you can use MQ Series V5.3 as well, but if you are looking > for other compatible App messaging options, you may want to consider the > SpiritSoft app messaging products. They are JMS industry std based, but > also have a MQ Series adapter as well. > > Reference: > http://www.spiritsoft.com > > Regards > > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660 > Fax: 613-591-4477 > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT) > > "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. > Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 13:59:04 -0800 From: simonvarley@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Message-ID: <1107986344.322387.29630@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Thanks to all. Excellent answers. I'll check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:02:20 -0500 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host? Message-ID: <110l53i83t37pd6@corp.supernews.com> simonvarley@hotmail.com wrote: > OK, I have to have MQ on both systems. > > That's a pity since for me MQ is just an additional layer duplicating > the stuff I have in my existing applications. Hopefully, there is > someway to get it to passthrough without being too much of a resource > hog. I'll find out during the MQ training class I'll have to schedule. > --- > Simon > I don't know your application or requirements, so cannot offer suggestions. However, just because you have MQ on one system does not force you to use MQ. Depending upon your requirements you can possibly use other communication methods. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:03:53 +0800 From: prep@prep.synonet.com Subject: Re: carly(tm) does Davos - selling HP..er... Apple iPods on the slopes slopesslo Message-ID: <87bratmrfa.fsf@prep.synonet.com> "John Smith" writes: > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cmp/20050128/tc_cmp/59100270 > .... `I think (2005) will be a year of growth in IT spending'' she > said, but added, ``we need to be realistic about what growth in the > IT sector means going forward.'' Sheesh! All the signs are that intrest rates are about to launch, and the $40+ /bbl oil are about to bite. Reatial figure here showed a 3% DECLINE in Dec quarter retail sales, and I expect it to continue sliding. AAnyone with a clue will be garding their cash and streching the life of all the kit that arrived for Y2K. -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:31:27 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: carly(tm) does Davos - selling HP..er... Apple iPods on theslopes Message-ID: <420AC77F.E40ADB47@comcast.net> prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: > > "John Smith" writes: > > > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cmp/20050128/tc_cmp/59100270 > > > .... `I think (2005) will be a year of growth in IT spending'' she > > said, but added, ``we need to be realistic about what growth in the > > IT sector means going forward.'' > > Sheesh! All the signs are that intrest rates are about to launch, and the > $40+ /bbl oil are about to bite. Reatial figure here showed a 3% DECLINE > in Dec quarter retail sales, and I expect it to continue sliding. > > AAnyone with a clue will be garding their cash and streching the life > of all the kit that arrived for Y2K. We may be adding more GS1280s - dunno yet. We just added a third GS1280/16 in Q4 of CY2004. (Hint for Cerner Millennium sites running Multinet: avoid V5 for now if you're trying to scale laterally. Scale vertically by upgrading your GS1280s from /16 to /32. The inter-node TCP/IP communications will kill you under certain circumstances.) Given the day's announcements, all bets are at least up in the air if not off altogether. That said, I just got done re-implementing an Alpha 4100 (2 CIPCAs), four SC008s and two HSJ pairs with a full complement of shelves and spindles in an SW800 rack (de-implements an Alpha 2100A and four HSJ pairs). So, the old co-exists with the new, for the time being. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:23:08 -0800 From: Jeff Cameron Subject: CEO definition, was: Wayman's bio Message-ID: Another CFO turned CEO. Nothing will change unless Wayman (Rainman) knows the rule of CEO (which is lost among most US company CEO's). CEO rule: The letters in CEO should remind those with the title what the order of importance is : C: Customers E: Employees O: Owners (Stock holders). Too many CEOs with CFO mentalities typically reverse this or put the last before the rest. A good lead for a company come from a CEO who puts them in the right order, therefore making the company strong for the service it provides, which in turn keeps the Stock holders happy. Placing the stockholders first will not drive your customers to be happy. IMO, which is why I'm just a lowly engineer saying "O-rings crack when cold" instead of making the big bucks like Curly or Rainman. > John Smith wrote: >> Robert P. Wayman >> Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer >> Hewlett-Packard Company >> >> Robert P. Wayman was named chief executive officer on an interim basis of HP >> in February 2005. In this role, he will continue to serve as chief financial >> officer for HP, responsible for overall financial activities and for >> multiple corporate departments at the company, including Controller, >> Treasury, Tax, Legal and Real Estate. >> >> On Feb. 8, 2005, Wayman was appointed to HP's board of directors. He >> previously served as a member of the board from 1993 to 2002. He stepped >> down upon completion of HP's merger with Compaq Computer Corporation. >> >> Wayman was named an executive vice president of HP in 1992 and assumed >> additional responsibility for administration that same year. He was named >> senior vice president in 1987. Wayman was elected vice president and chief >> financial officer in 1984 after being named controller in 1984 and deputy >> corporate controller in 1981. >> >> In 1976, Wayman was named group controller for HP's former Instrument Group, >> based in Palo Alto, Calif. He became division controller in 1973 after >> serving in several accounting management positions. Wayman joined HP in 1969 >> at its Loveland, Colo., Instrument Division as a cost accountant. >> >> In 1967, Wayman earned a bachelor's degree in science engineering from >> Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill. He received a master's degree in >> business administration from Northwestern in 1969. >> >> Wayman serves as a director of CNF, Inc., and Sybase, Inc. He also is a >> director of the Cultural Initiatives of Silicon Valley. >> >> He is a member of the Policy Council of the Tax Foundation, the Advisory >> Board to the Northwestern University Kellogg School of Management, the >> Financial Executives Institute and the Council of Financial Executives of >> the Conference Board. >> >> >> -- >> OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:58:22 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Couldn't have said it better myself @openvms.org Message-ID: http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/02/09/5992181 ....While many on Wall Street blessed the multibillion dollar Compaq deal, it was not universally praised. Many felt that Compaq had not yet finished digesting its acquisition of Digital Equipment Corp. "The Compaq deal was stupid--there's no other good word for it. But the bad thing is, it was stupid at the time, not just in retrospect," said Jeff Matthews, general partner at Ram Partners, a Greenwich, Conn.-based hedge fund that holds no interest in HP. "Walter Hewlett correctly tried to stop it. But the board was in a position where it was either support Carly or not, and they had to support Carly, even though it meant doing a really stupid deal. "They spent $24 billion in HP stock buying Compaq, and they probably could have wired $24 billion directly to the bottom of the ocean and been in about as good shape as they are now," Matthews added. .... Separately.... http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;jsessionid=PRSX1 IYGX1UQ4QSNDBCSKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleId=59302327 HP will stick to its strategy selling its portfolio of products, and it will look for a CEO who believes in that approach, Dunn and Wayman said. "We think it's a unique portfolio that is stronger together than apart," Wayman said. There has been much speculation that HP would spin off its hugely profitable printing business, but the executives said the board isn't considering that. "What needs to be done is achieving the opportunities present in a remarkable collection of businesses and assets that make up the HP portfolio," said Dunn. ...Sounds like Patricia needs a letter or 1000 from the VMS faithful just to remind her to give us our fair share of advertising and marketing... Dunn said there wasn't a single triggering event that led the board to ask Fiorina to step down, a decision it's been considering over several weeks with the help of outside advisers. She said a search for a new CEO would begin immediately but added that no candidates for the job have been contacted. and this.... http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=593023 36 Just three days before Fiorina's exit, announced Wednesday by HP's board of directors, the Palo Alto, Calif.-based company was in the process of laying off direct-sales account reps, sources said. As many as 2,000 employees were slated to be laid off, said one source close to HP. Sounds like the channel could use a little VMS advertising now.... --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:44:41 -0800 From: David Mathog Subject: Curly 2: the axeman returneth Message-ID: Here's my nightmare scenario... The HP directors realize that once Qwest buys MCI Curly will be looking for work. With the incredible insight and business acumen so aptly demonstrated by two decades of HP/Compaq/DEC boards they instantly grasp that this is a great opportunity to "Hire that guy who did so well at Compaq" and "Helped with the merger". You can almost hear the board discussion: "He could hit the ground running. He's already familiar with parts of the company. He's great at cutting costs. He does what the board asks." Regards, David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:12:42 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Curly 2: the axeman returneth Message-ID: <1107979267.79ae865628e8bee876a46b4814ca0b17@teranews> David Mathog wrote: > > Here's my nightmare scenario... > > The HP directors realize that once Qwest buys MCI Curly will be looking > for work. I was thinking about the same thing... But I will go beyond this: The current accountant will be tasked to breakup the company, and then seek 2 new CEOs for the respective parts. Curly gets the Wintel part (including printers) Bob Palmer gets the enterprise division. (Check out Palmer's Bio at AMD... he hasn't had any job since leaving Digital). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:30:11 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Curly 2: the axeman returneth Message-ID: On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:44:41 -0800, David Mathog wrote: > Here's my nightmare scenario... > > The HP directors realize that once Qwest buys MCI Curly will be looking > for work. With the incredible insight and business acumen so > aptly demonstrated by two decades of HP/Compaq/DEC boards they > instantly grasp that this is a great opportunity to "Hire > that guy who did so well at Compaq" and "Helped with the merger". > You can almost hear the board discussion: "He could hit the ground > running. He's already familiar with parts of the company. He's great > at cutting costs. He does what the board asks." > Didn't he and Carly receive about $180 Million collectively for the merger? > Regards, > > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:35:33 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Curly 2: the axeman returneth Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:44:41 -0800, David Mathog > wrote: > >> Here's my nightmare scenario... >> >> The HP directors realize that once Qwest buys MCI Curly will be >> looking for work. With the incredible insight and business acumen so >> aptly demonstrated by two decades of HP/Compaq/DEC boards they >> instantly grasp that this is a great opportunity to "Hire >> that guy who did so well at Compaq" and "Helped with the merger". >> You can almost hear the board discussion: "He could hit the ground >> running. He's already familiar with parts of the company. He's >> great at cutting costs. He does what the board asks." >> > > Didn't he and Carly receive about $180 Million collectively for the > merger? You're off by an order of magnitude. Move the decimal left. -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:52:31 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Curly 2: the axeman returneth Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:35:33 -0500, John Smith wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: >> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:44:41 -0800, David Mathog >> wrote: >> >>> Here's my nightmare scenario... >>> >>> The HP directors realize that once Qwest buys MCI Curly will be >>> looking for work. With the incredible insight and business acumen so >>> aptly demonstrated by two decades of HP/Compaq/DEC boards they >>> instantly grasp that this is a great opportunity to "Hire >>> that guy who did so well at Compaq" and "Helped with the merger". >>> You can almost hear the board discussion: "He could hit the ground >>> running. He's already familiar with parts of the company. He's >>> great at cutting costs. He does what the board asks." >>> >> >> Didn't he and Carly receive about $180 Million collectively for the >> merger? > > > You're off by an order of magnitude. Move the decimal left. > Oh. Wasn't there also a significant bonus if they both stayed for some length of time postmerger? > > > -- > > OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:53:01 +0000 (UTC) From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) Subject: Re: Curly soon to be out of a job Message-ID: In article <1107973597.04d50b4767e4f04fad65185310eb5251@teranews>, JF Mezei writes: > > I had read some article asome time ago that she was well connected with > the Republican party. My expectation was that she would have gotten a > job offer in January which would have given her an goot "out" stragegy > to serve her country. My guess is that because problems started to brew > earlier than expected, she wasn't able to leave (because it would have > been an obvious "she's leeaving under pressure"). > > Woudl a person of her stature have accepted anything less than something > like director of homeland of security ? In this position she could propose another merger, possibly US-Iraq, in order to fix some of those security problems down there. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:56:13 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Dvorak on whatshername Message-ID: http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/02/09/6593392 .... DEC was like the old H-P -- engineering driven with reputable products and questionable marketing. The founder of the company Ken Olsen once said that the only reason to advertise was so your mom could know you worked for a real company. Along the way DEC developed one of the most formidable service organizations in the world as well as the most powerful microprocessors available for heavy-duty use, the Alpha chip. In 1998 Compaq bought DEC for $9.6 billion. By buying Compaq, so Fiorina's argument went, H-P would get hold of one of its major competitors, DEC. This would include the Alpha chip team. But what a difference three years of Compaq management had meant. Essentially DEC was ruined by the time H-P came around. Over time H-P would lose what little talent was left at DEC merger and the fabulous Alpha chip would go into hibernation as H-P chose to stick with the over-hyped Intel Itanium architecture for its new servers....... -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 17:42:05 -0800 From: "denny" Subject: Re: Full page color HP ad for Message-ID: <1107999725.727885.210890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> WWW.HP.COM then SERVERS then "browse servers-by operating system-Openvms" . That's it. it was right there!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:49:25 -0600 From: Michael Clark Subject: grep on openVMS? Message-ID: Does OpenVMS have anything similar to the grep option on *nix? CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it is addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject to intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed and are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and then immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 13:03:48 -0800 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? Message-ID: <1107983028.004509.314930@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Michael Clark wrote: > Does OpenVMS have anything similar to the grep option on *nix? Which version? On V7.3-2 (alpha), at least, you can install GNV and get the bash shell and then use grep. I believe other people have ported grep to vms also. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:13:17 -0500 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? Message-ID: <420A7CED.27DC5AEC@adldata.com> Michael Clark wrote: > > Does OpenVMS have anything similar to the grep option on *nix? > vms has the search command (HELP SEARCH) google for "vms freeware grep" found: http://www.supercrawler.com/Computers/Software/File_Management/Search/ http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html http://web2.cnam.fr/vms/logiciel/cd_freeware.html http://www.djesys.com/vms/freeware.html and more! sol ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 13:52:17 -0800 From: "puckout2@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? Message-ID: <1107985937.363747.174440@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> the search command SEARCH filespec[,...] search-string[,...] ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 13:52:47 -0800 From: "puckout2@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? Message-ID: <1107985967.223659.240400@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> the search command SEARCH filespec[,...] search-string[,...] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:31:07 GMT From: "Anthony Borla" Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? Message-ID: "Michael Clark" wrote in message news:A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274FA17@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com... > > Does OpenVMS have anything similar to the grep > option on *nix? > I'd say any operating system that *didn't* offer similar functionality would be pretty deficient. This link might be useful: http://www.mcsr.olemiss.edu/unixhelp/VMStoUNIX.html And, for future reference, the 'help' command is quite useful being OpenVMS's equivalent to the *nix 'man' command. Typing one of: help or: help hints or: help dcl_tips at the DCL prompt is bound to furnish useful information. Cheers, Anthony Borla ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 15:30:59 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? Message-ID: <1107991859.279134.272570@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> $ SEARCH OpenVMS uses English ... unix uses words that first graders don't even understand ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:02:24 -0800 From: Z Subject: Re: grep on openVMS? Message-ID: bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > $ SEARCH > OpenVMS uses English ... unix uses words that > first graders don't even understand ... *nix grep understands regular expressions, making it much more useful than $SEARCH. I usually end up in Perl on VMS to get access to regular expressions. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 16:00:03 -0800 From: dennis.plucinik@gmail.com Subject: how to turn $6 into $6000! read this! Message-ID: <1107993603.224833.309330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> HOW TO TURN 6 BUCKS INTO 6 THOUSAND! (WORLD WIDE) WARNING: R=ADEADING THIS WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE! I found this on a Bulletin board and decided to try it. A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam", but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and addresses stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured: "what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right?" Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!! Within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how this works and mostimportantly, why it works. Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it, as you need it. I promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more money than you thought possible by doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (Print it out or download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the money come in! It's easy. It's legal, and your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage) IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it is virtually no risk because it really works!!! If all of the following instructions are adhered to exactly, you will receive extraordinary dividends. PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You will now become part of the Mail Order business. Inthis business your product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people like you and me asking to be included in that list. Here are the 4 easy steps to success: STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST!" Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you arepaying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal. Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: Note=AD Make sure you put the correct amount of postage stamps on your envelopes. Othercountries may need more stamps so be correct on how many you put.And remember your business will be running Throughout the world so when you start posting messages or emails to people this will bring in thousands of dollars from all over the world. So now, you have money flowing in from countries! That's how I became so successful in this business. Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: #1) Tom Zimmerman IV 193 Yard St Nesquehoning, PA. 18240 #2) B. Pratt 5535 E 100 N Knox, IN 46534 #3) Michele Tyska PO Box 765 Northport, NY 11768 #4) David Weir PO Box 144 Schooleys Mt., NJ 07870 #5) S. Nagirnyak 14139 Pine Forest Drive #208 North Royalton, OH 44133 #6) D. Plucinik 355 Kaymar Dr. Amherst, NY 14228 STEP 2:Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR NAME as number 6 on the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more that you post, the more money you make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you need money, you can use it again, and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it this way, if you are a person of integrity, the program will continue and the money that so many others have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own name to the list and you're in business!!! DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS: STEP 1: You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select ''copy'' from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer''s memory. STEP 2: Open a blank ''notepad'' file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the ''edit'' menu select ''paste''. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list. STEP 3: Save your new notepad file as a text file. If you want to do your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to go back to. STEP 4: Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) STEP 5: Visit these message boards and post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click the post message button. You're done with your first one! Congratulations...THAT''S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** that''s it! You will begin receiving money from around the World within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box Due to the large amounts coming to you! P=2ES. It's only 6 bucks what u got to lose? So check it out! ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 16:02:13 -0800 From: dennis.plucinik@gmail.com Subject: how to turn $6 into $6000! read this! Message-ID: <1107993733.361789.18180@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> HOW TO TURN 6 BUCKS INTO 6 THOUSAND! (WORLD WIDE) WARNING: R=ADEADING THIS WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE! I found this on a Bulletin board and decided to try it. A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam", but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and addresses stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured: "what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right?" Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!! Within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how this works and mostimportantly, why it works. Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it, as you need it. I promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more money than you thought possible by doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (Print it out or download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the money come in! It's easy. It's legal, and your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage) IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it is virtually no risk because it really works!!! If all of the following instructions are adhered to exactly, you will receive extraordinary dividends. PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You will now become part of the Mail Order business. Inthis business your product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people like you and me asking to be included in that list. Here are the 4 easy steps to success: STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST!" Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you arepaying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal. Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: Note=AD Make sure you put the correct amount of postage stamps on your envelopes. Othercountries may need more stamps so be correct on how many you put.And remember your business will be running Throughout the world so when you start posting messages or emails to people this will bring in thousands of dollars from all over the world. So now, you have money flowing in from countries! That's how I became so successful in this business. Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: #1) Tom Zimmerman IV 193 Yard St Nesquehoning, PA. 18240 #2) B. Pratt 5535 E 100 N Knox, IN 46534 #3) Michele Tyska PO Box 765 Northport, NY 11768 #4) David Weir PO Box 144 Schooleys Mt., NJ 07870 #5) S. Nagirnyak 14139 Pine Forest Drive #208 North Royalton, OH 44133 #6) D. Plucinik 355 Kaymar Dr. Amherst, NY 14228 STEP 2:Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR NAME as number 6 on the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more that you post, the more money you make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you need money, you can use it again, and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it this way, if you are a person of integrity, the program will continue and the money that so many others have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own name to the list and you're in business!!! DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS: STEP 1: You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select ''copy'' from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer''s memory. STEP 2: Open a blank ''notepad'' file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the ''edit'' menu select ''paste''. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list. STEP 3: Save your new notepad file as a text file. If you want to do your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to go back to. STEP 4: Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) STEP 5: Visit these message boards and post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click the post message button. You're done with your first one! Congratulations...THAT''S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** that''s it! You will begin receiving money from around the World within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box Due to the large amounts coming to you! P=2ES. It's only 6 bucks what u got to lose? So check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:56:54 +0800 From: prep@prep.synonet.com Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: <87fz05mrqx.fsf@prep.synonet.com> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "Mark Round" writes: >>"ding dong, the witch is dead...." > ...making room for Bob Palmer to assume the helm! > God help us. Well, there is another beancounter holding the helm. I wonder if he is bald as well.... The year of the rooster indead! -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:04:10 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: <1107985949.6684cf41b3c70cae39ddfb132404e86f@teranews> Lets not forget that Carly Fiorina's picture is on this week's "Fortune" manazine with a pretty damning title. One must also look into the timing of litvik's resignation and the bringing in of Perkins on the board. That is what probably changed the balance of power and sealed Carly's exit. So this many not be a full unified board. BBC World Business Report had some coverage on this. Interesting on how the analysts are very PC centric. They did interview Carol Loomis, the author of the Fortune magazine damning report on Carly. Nowhere near as damning as Gerster was in his book ( i discussed this in a previous post). There seems to be agreement from analysts that the accountant won't be breaking up the company. With analysts describing HP as a printer company who got distracted by an unprofitable PC business, it makes one wonder whether Wall Street is not quite happy with the fact that Carly combined the printing and PC businesses under the same head. There is one big danger with this uncertainty: If HP were to spin off its IA64 based businesses, it would be an easy way for HP to wash its hands from its contract with Intel and any obligations to Intel. The IA64 business would be be free to fail without impacting HP. And it probably woudln't have access to the capital needeed to port VMS, HP-UX and Tandem to 8086 or Power or even Sparc once IA64 is widthdrawn. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:00:31 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > Lets not forget that Carly Fiorina's picture is on this week's > "Fortune" manazine with a pretty damning title. > > One must also look into the timing of litvik's resignation and the > bringing in of Perkins on the board. That is what probably changed the > balance of power and sealed Carly's exit. So this many not be a full > unified board. > > > BBC World Business Report had some coverage on this. Interesting on > how the analysts are very PC centric. > > They did interview Carol Loomis, the author of the Fortune magazine > damning report on Carly. Nowhere near as damning as Gerster was in > his book ( i discussed this in a previous post). > > There seems to be agreement from analysts that the accountant won't be > breaking up the company. > > > With analysts describing HP as a printer company who got distracted by > an unprofitable PC business, it makes one wonder whether Wall Street > is not quite happy with the fact that Carly combined the printing and > PC businesses under the same head. > > > There is one big danger with this uncertainty: If HP were to spin off > its IA64 based businesses, it would be an easy way for HP to wash its > hands from its contract with Intel and any obligations to Intel. > > The IA64 business would be be free to fail without impacting HP. And > it probably woudln't have access to the capital needeed to port VMS, > HP-UX and Tandem to 8086 or Power or even Sparc once IA64 is > widthdrawn. As if senior management would really give a damn. -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:00:23 -0500 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: <6KvOd.25229$Ub4.937306@news20.bellglobal.com> "John Smith" wrote in message news:puCdndlkQvHDpZffRVn-iA@igs.net... > Dan Allen wrote: [...snip...] > > Another really good one to use would be The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again" > - images of snake oil salesmen hawking Windows, unix , and Linux > Reality check for OpenVMS folk: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:39:29 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: Neil Rieck wrote: > "John Smith" wrote in message > news:puCdndlkQvHDpZffRVn-iA@igs.net... >> Dan Allen wrote: > [...snip...] >> >> Another really good one to use would be The Who's "Won't Get Fooled >> Again" - images of snake oil salesmen hawking Windows, unix , and >> Linux >> > > Reality check for OpenVMS folk: "Meet the new boss, same as the old > boss" It depends if the "boss" are the 'suits' or that the o/s itself is "The Boss". But given the events of today, the connotation is probably the former. -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:35:09 -0500 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: <110l712s5adqdac@corp.supernews.com> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "Mark Round" writes: > >>"ding dong, the witch is dead...." > > > ...making room for Bob Palmer to assume the helm! > > God help us. Even He wouldn't be enough help for that! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:01:24 -0500 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: "John Smith" wrote in message news:uuSdnf7ntIO1DJffRVn-iw@igs.net... [...snip...] >> >> Reality check for OpenVMS folk: "Meet the new boss, same as the old >> boss" > > It depends if the "boss" are the 'suits' or that the o/s itself is "The > Boss". But given the events of today, the connotation is probably the > former. > > OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. > Yup! History has shown us that it's been all down hill since Ken Olsen left and I'm still waiting for a change in management to prove me wrong! On a related note, when John Roth left Nortel after destroying it, the board replaced him with CFO Frank Dunn who made matters worse. I know that Carly's replacement is just temporary, but I'm already getting nervous. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:51:03 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: <1107995955.35f74dbd4b83bb770a1d5687dc291a28@teranews> Neil Rieck wrote: > Yup! History has shown us that it's been all down hill since Ken Olsen left > and I'm still waiting for a change in management to prove me wrong! In fairness, Olsen was ousted for good reason. The DECline had begun under his reign. I don't blame him for not going "wintel", but I blame him for refusing to admit that Pcs were serious competition to VMS. > On a related note, when John Roth left Nortel after destroying it, the board > replaced him with CFO Frank Dunn who made matters worse. I know that Carly's > replacement is just temporary, but I'm already getting nervous. Sometimes, the replacement guy has no choice but be bearer of bad news while he discovers how much of a mess the company is in. Nortel had plenty of self inflicted wounds though. Much more than HP. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:39:38 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: <420AC96A.9F90E3EC@comcast.net> prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: > > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > > In article <1107956773.361962.281300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "Mark Round" writes: > > >>"ding dong, the witch is dead...." > > > ...making room for Bob Palmer to assume the helm! > > > God help us. > > Well, there is another beancounter holding the helm. I wonder if > he is bald as well.... > > The year of the rooster indead! Nahh, I won't say it... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 20:57:16 -0600 From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: <2r5QsrMHhpac@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , "Neil Rieck" writes: > > On a related note, when John Roth left Nortel after destroying it, the board > replaced him with CFO Frank Dunn who made matters worse. I know that Carly's > replacement is just temporary, but I'm already getting nervous. > Yeah... what a crack-up. All these chuckleheads going on and on about how bad things are, they'd go crazy if they were Nortel fans! http://www.funlol.com/funpages/investmentadvice.html INVESTMENT ADVICE! If you bought $1000 worth of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now be worth $49. If you bought $1000 worth of Budweiser (the beer, not the stock) one year ago, drank all the beer, and traded in the cans for the nickel deposit, you would have $79. My advice to you is to start drinking! :) --- By the way, that joke is about 2 years old - so take it for what it is worth. That was true then, certainly not true today (unless Nortel is a penny stock). Is Nortel worth more than $3 yet? Worth more than Sun stock? Now that would really be something! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:10:33 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: <420AD0A8.C62E712@comcast.net> Rob Young wrote: > > In article , "Neil Rieck" writes: > > > > > On a related note, when John Roth left Nortel after destroying it, the board > > replaced him with CFO Frank Dunn who made matters worse. I know that Carly's > > replacement is just temporary, but I'm already getting nervous. > > > > Yeah... what a crack-up. All these chuckleheads going on and > on about how bad things are, they'd go crazy if they were > Nortel fans! > > http://www.funlol.com/funpages/investmentadvice.html > > INVESTMENT ADVICE! If you bought $1000 worth of Nortel stock one year ago, > it would now be worth $49. > > If you bought $1000 worth of Budweiser (the beer, not the stock) > one year ago, drank all the beer, and traded in the cans for > the nickel deposit, you would have $79. > > My advice to you is to start drinking! :) > > --- > > By the way, that joke is about 2 years old Oh, it's older than that! Go rent "Animal House" (the scene where Otter and Bluto are trying comfort Flounder on the loss of his brother's car). -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:57:56 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP's Carly Fiorina fired Message-ID: <1108010796.e9837afbf5650b97fa15b071bb36d74f@teranews> Well worth a read: (Dow Jones Business Wire) > http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_news?df=NY&r=S&sym=HPQ&sl=BW-02/09-17:29-2596|ON-02/09-16:39-1010|ON-02/09-16:10-987|BW-02/09-14:48-2006|ON-02/09-13:58-913|&sp=1 After the merger, there was alrteady discussion on replacing Curly with a COO. Carly has opposed this since then, and due to recent bad financials, the board wanted to apoint a COO to supplement Carly and Carly refused. Now, the bad one: They *are* considering Curly (amongst others) to replace Carly. But on the bright side, they are also to find a COO. So they are in fact looking for 2 people. Does anyone know the email address of Patricia Dunn ? It is time customers warned her not to even consider Curly the liar who betrayed customers and caused customers to distrust the owner of VMS as well as the downfall of Compaq. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 20:15:39 -0600 From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... Message-ID: In article , "Kenneth Farmer" writes: > > How may people watch the Superbowl? 60 million? http://www.superbowl.com/features/general_info Super Bowl XXXVIII TV audience: Last year's game was the most watched program ever with 144.4 million viewers. The 10 most-watched programs in TV history are all Super Bowls. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:40:53 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Is $3 million really so much to spend.... Message-ID: Rob Young wrote: > In article , > "Kenneth Farmer" writes: > >> >> How may people watch the Superbowl? 60 million? > > http://www.superbowl.com/features/general_info > > Super Bowl XXXVIII TV audience: Last year's game was the most watched > program > ever with 144.4 million viewers. The 10 most-watched programs in TV > history are > all Super Bowls. And Rob thinks it's irrelevant to reach the owners of the 500+ employee business who watch the Stupid Bowl about VMS. Ask just about any advertising agency worth its salt and they'll have reams of stats and probabilites about what percentage of red-headed IT managers of Scottish origin (or any other group in the USA you care to ask them about) watch the program and what sort of purchasing authority they have. I was out driving the other night and came home via a different route than I normally use. Within 1 mile of my house I saw 3 full-size billboards (what are they...20' x 60' or something like that) advertising Aston Martin cars. The cars cost something in the $200k-$400k range, or ballpark like a middling Alphaserver. The Aston is going to be a depreciating asset (at least in the first few years of its life - assuming it isn't totalled), just like the Alphaserver. So basically the car will look pretty but make the guy who's company's profits afforded him the luxury of being able to buy one absolutely nothing, whereas if he bought an Alpha/VMS box he might save his company the price of the system over a couple years. The guy knows about Astons but nothing about VMS. The local dealer will advertise and trade off the product image from other markets and sell 20-30 of them a year - I doubt HP sells that many Alphas of any size in my market annually. -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:48:00 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 Message-ID: <1107981382.de523781a300d6649a901bd97d4bb18a@teranews> Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > Does anyone really try to do real business via the postal system > anymore? How quaint :-) When having things delivered from the USA to Canada, the postal system is usually the best way to ensure you avoid the PPB Highway Robbery customs brokers used by UPS. I've had "Sorry sir, we don't deal with the US Postal Service, only UPS". to which I respond: "You mean, the USPS doesn't ever deliver any mail to your address and you never ever send any documents by regular mail ?????" UPS ground doesn't take much less time than regular mail. (Beware though: the USPS equivalent of priority post arrives via a real "courrier" and they use PBB Highway Robbery customs brokers). You need to really specify regular postal service. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 16:05:55 -0600 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) Subject: Re: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 Message-ID: In article <3MAXX9iUUYzT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > In article , Chris Sharman writes: >> David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: >> >>> Sent an email to you Chris - I need a configuration request. >>> Then I can quote >> >> Thanks for the quote - it seems spamfilters are now having to be so >> aggressive that legitimate email struggles to get through when not >> whitelisted. I'm the same - the filters are good, but the volume of >> 'maybe spam' is now so great that I miss real mail sometimes. > > Email is your only choice - we tried to order by mail from Island > based on their web site. FIVE WEEKS later (after repeated followups > when no confirmation was received) they rejected our order, saying > they could not fill it (but giving no details) indicating they will > not deal by mail. I've ordered by phone without problem in the past. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:10:21 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: One heck of a quote Message-ID: <6aqdnVLAXbLFF5ffRVn-qQ@igs.net> "They spent $24 billion in HP stock buying Compaq, and they probably could have wired $24 billion directly to the bottom of the ocean and been in about as good shape as they are now," Do you think the guy's opinionated? If I had said it in here, all the HP apologists would be down my throat in an instant. It would be interesting to tally up all the profits generated by all the pieces of Compaq that were kept in the merger (PC's, iPaq, Tru64, VMS, Alphaservers, Tandem stuff) for all 3 years since the merger and see what the total is, and then look at that total profit less the percentage of all the costs associated with plant closings, layoff costs, etc... attributable to former Compaq staff and facilities. I'll bet it's pretty ugly. --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:30:15 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: One heck of a quote Message-ID: <1107987513.3269535ff6abd27f4b1e20d9b7877bd6@teranews> John Smith wrote: > > "They spent $24 billion in HP stock buying Compaq, and they probably could > have wired $24 billion directly to the bottom of the ocean and been in about > as good shape as they are now," Subject: Elephants can dance Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:18:33 -0500 From: JF Mezei Organization: Relative Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Just (finally) read Lou Gerstner's "Who says Elephants can't dance" book. It was written circa 2002. (so Gerstner was fully aware of what was going on betwene HP and Compaq). Gerstner got in IBM in April 1993. In page 221 of the paperback, there is a most interesting section on takeovers. "We need to grow, so let's go acquire somebody" .... "This is a contagious disease that infects too many executives. When given a choice of working hard to fix a base business or, instead, completing a glamorous acquisition and crowing about its promise on the financial TV stations, too many executives opt for the latter." "A partial list of companies that were propopsed as acquisition candidates include: MCI, Nortel, Compaq, SGI and Novell <...> Investment bankers with thick blue books were alwasy ready to describe a yellow brick road leading to the wonderful city of Oz. NOT ONE OF THESE DEALS WOULD HAVE WORKED. "I could tell a lot of investment-banker stories, but perhaps the one that stands out in my mind the most was the proposal from one bank that IBM acquire Compaq Computer." Gertsner then goes on showing how the investment bankers showed glowing success for IBM buying Compaq, but when Gertner looks into the fine print, he realised that such a transaction would wipe out 5 years of IBM profits (roughly $50 billion) and IBM would show huge losses during that period. When the banker was questioned the response was "Oh, investors would all see right through this, it wouldn't matter". ------ What this tells me is that Capellas had been actively looking for a buyer. There is no specific time mentioned for this story. But it does show that it wasn't people interested in buying Compaq, it was Compaq hiring bankers to find anyone gullibe enough to buy it. The timing of bank pitching Compaq to IBM would be most interesting. Alpha had no value to HP. But would have had value to IBM. (perhaps not the chip itself, but the engineers and the intellectual property). Perhaps Curly didn't kill alpha because it may have been of value to some suitors such as IBM, but when time ran out and HP became the chosen suitor, then Curly killed Alpha and donated it to Intel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:22:52 -0500 From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: OT- Like IBM stock when it was $1 Message-ID: <7fWdncgswb7gWJffRVn-tA@adelphia.com> Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In article <1107859202.117805.75950@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, univms@bigfoot.com writes: > >>Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com For stock promotions enforcement(at)sec.gov is also interested, and apparently someone actually is reading it. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002174701_courtside09.html -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:21:15 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM Message-ID: <420AC51A.AA0B5EE5@comcast.net> Roy Omond wrote: > > Jilly wrote: > > > FYI I will log an enhancement request that SYSHUTDWN.COM be passed the > > SHUTDOWN.COM parameters. > > > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > > > > >>Beach Runner wrote: > >> > >>>[snip] > >>>Just run the procedure shutdown.com and you have all control. > >> > >>Not quite: SHUTDOWN(.COM) (apparently - haven't researched it myself) > >>doesn't pass anything to SYSHUTDWN.COM to indicate the difference he's > >>looking for. See earlier posts in this thread. > > Hmmm... here's a thought. This relies on DCL symbol scoping. > > When SYSHUTDWN.COM gets invoked, if it does: > > $ delete/symbol P1 > . > . > $ delete/symbol P8 > > Thereafter, P1 to P8 will be the ones belonging to the invoking > procedure, which in this case is SHUTDOWN.COM. > > Et voila ! Just tried that on my little alpha here... DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ ty com1.com $ @com2 $ exit DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ ty com2.com $ delete/symbol p1 $ delete/symbol p2 $ delete/symbol p3 $ delete/symbol p4 $ delete/symbol p5 $ delete/symbol p6 $ delete/symbol p7 $ delete/symbol p8 $! $ write sys$output "P1 = ""''p1'""" $ write sys$output "P2 = ""''p2'""" $ write sys$output "P3 = ""''p3'""" $ write sys$output "P4 = ""''p4'""" $ write sys$output "P5 = ""''p5'""" $ write sys$output "P6 = ""''p6'""" $ write sys$output "P7 = ""''p7'""" $ write sys$output "P8 = ""''p8'""" $ exit DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ @com1 a b c d e f g h P1 = "A" P2 = "B" P3 = "C" P4 = "D" P5 = "E" P6 = "F" P7 = "G" P8 = "H" DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ Well, shut my mouth WIDE open! -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:06:53 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM\ Message-ID: <1107975325.a9eb1f0736b448d3604bf3d34d571021@teranews> > Jilly wrote: > > FYI I will log an enhancement request that SYSHUTDWN.COM be passed the > > SHUTDOWN.COM parameters. But when you involke shutdown interactively and answer the prompts, does this result in the same symbols being set (P1 to Px) ? Or are there internal symbols being set ? ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 16:28:50 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM\ Message-ID: <6boyF4HPhxaY@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <05020912160236@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes: > Jilly wrote: >> FYI I will log an enhancement request that SYSHUTDWN.COM be passed the >> SHUTDOWN.COM parameters. > > I like that. > > Kilgallen wrote: >> I think it should be the _resultant_ parameters (as passed to >> OPCCRASH.EXE) after defaulting has been applied. Reinventing >> the defaulting at each site would be bad. > > Either way. Not sure why it would be bad - please elaborate? Everybody implements their own defaulting that a blank Pn means "with whipped cream" and then VMS changes it so that Pn of a single space means "with sugar-free whipped cream". Everyone will have to notice and update their own defaulting. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:03:08 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM\ Message-ID: <420ACEEC.E35B7B51@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > > > Jilly wrote: > > > FYI I will log an enhancement request that SYSHUTDWN.COM be passed the > > > SHUTDOWN.COM parameters. > > But when you involke shutdown interactively and answer the prompts, does > this result in the same symbols being set (P1 to Px) ? Or are there > internal symbols being set ? It looks like it's been "DCL-Dieted", but it's not wholly unreadable. Check it out, I did. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:11:05 +0800 From: prep@prep.synonet.com Subject: Re: Serving a different boot disk Message-ID: <877jlhmr3a.fsf@prep.synonet.com> "Stanley F. Quayle" writes: > But when I attempt to boot, I get: > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 8-FEB-2005 17:22:45.11 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user DECNET on SIMH55 > DECnet event 0.7, aborted service request > From node 1.400 (SIMH55), 8-FEB-2005 17:22:45.09 > Circuit QNA-0, Line open error, File open error, Load file > %LAA-F-RMTNOTCLS, remote node is not a VAXcluster member > Node = 1.499 (OFFICE), Ethernet address = 08-00-2B-2A-22-F8 > It's not in the cluster. Of course, it doesn't boot, either... I HAS booted, and loaded LAA as well. LAA loooked at the world and told you it sucks... The load parameter you pass is the local root that THAT node sees, from that node, not from the boot server. LAA uses MSCP btw so you have to have an MSCP server or a local attacked drive. -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:15:08 GMT From: CJT Subject: So how big a parachute did she have? Message-ID: <420A997C.6080909@prodigy.net> You can round to the nearest million if you like. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 15:31:27 -0800 From: "mas" Subject: Re: So how big a parachute did she have? Message-ID: <1107991887.590340.274150@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> $21 million. Made for the rest of her life. Even she would have trouble spending that on hairdos and such ;-). http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=7585388 CJT wrote: > You can round to the nearest million if you like. > > -- > The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to > minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 21:17:44 -0600 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) Subject: Re: So how big a parachute did she have? Message-ID: In article <1107991887.590340.274150@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "mas" writes: > $21 million. Made for the rest of her life. It should be no more than what the lowest paid recently laid off HP worker got. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org It had become an universal and almost uncontroverted position in the several States, that the purposes of society do not require a surrender of all our rights to our ordinary governors; that there are certain portions of right not necessary to enable them to carry on an effective government, and which experience has nevertheless proved they will be constantly encroaching on, if submitted to them; that there are also certain fences which experience has proved peculiarly efficacious against wrong, and rarely obstructive of right, which yet the governing powers have ever shown a disposition to weaken and remove. Of the first kind, for instance, is freedom of religion; of the second, trial by jury, habeas corpus laws, free presses. -- Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:42:38 -0500 From: Howard Shubs Subject: Re: VAX 4000 m500A problem Message-ID: In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > Why don't you wait until you get everything you need? Then > pick the word you used the most often. I should name a VAX "THE"? -- Nobody knows Particle Man. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:10:32 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS in medical business Message-ID: <1107975542.6d2906ae494871000b4279f4dbc4c7ad@teranews> "Main, Kerry" wrote: > Ayup .. Check out the following for some sample testimonials: > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html How does one get from the www.hp.com to the above link ? If ones gets to the vertical industry pages and you select "medical", does it bring you to the VMS page ? (last I had checked it didn't, it may have changed since Jan 18th). My point remains: HP sent out a pre ss release where they had a perfect opportunity to mention VMS since medical stuff is one of the few remaining market niches for VMS. They didn't. The VMS management should go to the person who write the PR and mention that next time, they should include VMS in medical, telecom etc press releases. It doesn't cost anything or any budget. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:17:05 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: VMS in medical business Message-ID: <8PCdnXCPTbEl_JffRVn-rg@igs.net> JF Mezei wrote: > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >> Ayup .. Check out the following for some sample testimonials: >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html > > > How does one get from the www.hp.com to the above link ? > > If ones gets to the vertical industry pages and you select "medical", > does it bring you to the VMS page ? (last I had checked it didn't, it > may have changed since Jan 18th). > > My point remains: HP sent out a pre ss release where they had a > perfect opportunity to mention VMS since medical stuff is one of the > few remaining market niches for VMS. They didn't. The VMS management > should go to the person who write the PR and mention that next time, > they should include VMS in medical, telecom etc press releases. It > doesn't cost anything or any budget. Repeat after me....HP doesn't THINK -- IBM does. -- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:46:56 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: VMS in medical business Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20 > Sent: February 9, 2005 2:11 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: VMS in medical business >=20 > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > =20 > > Ayup .. Check out the following for some sample testimonials: > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html >=20 >=20 > How does one get from the www.hp.com to the above link ?=20 >=20 > If ones gets to the vertical industry pages and you select "medical", > does it bring you to the VMS page ? (last I had checked it didn't, it > may have changed since Jan 18th). >=20 > My point remains: HP sent out a pre ss release where they had=20 > a perfect > opportunity to mention VMS since medical stuff is one of the few > remaining market niches for VMS. They didn't. The VMS=20 > management should > go to the person who write the PR and mention that next time, they > should include VMS in medical, telecom etc press releases. It doesn't > cost anything or any budget. > Conversely, are you saying that anytime HP releases something about OpenVMS, it should state that "this compliments our existing Windows x86, HP-UX, NSK, and Linux offerings in this space?"=20 Hey, I am all for improving marketing, but this was clearly an x86 win. If the Customer wants an x86 solution and feels that it will meet their requirements, whether or not I would propose something different is irrelevant. I am just glad it was won by HP and not IBM, who no doubt were pitching their x86 platform equivalents as well - even though they have alternate platform offerings as well. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 15:34:42 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: VMS in medical business Message-ID: <1107992082.176371.65620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> no, they don't have alternative platforms ... everyone is offering the same thing ... windoze/unix/linux garbage! OpenVMS is a unique OS that is being poorly managed, marketed ... the only advantage IBM has right now over vms is marketing ... to believe otherwise makes you a fool ... I have been on both by the way so I know ... ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 2005 16:01:28 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: VMS in medical business Message-ID: <1107992097.261527.240420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> no, they don't have alternative platforms ... everyone is offering the same thing ... windoze/unix/linux garbage! OpenVMS is a unique OS that is being poorly managed, marketed ... the only advantage IBM has right now over vms is marketing ... to believe otherwise makes you a fool ... I have been on both by the way so I know ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:34:32 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: VMS in medical business Message-ID: bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > no, they don't have alternative platforms ... everyone is offering the > same > thing ... windoze/unix/linux garbage! OpenVMS is a unique OS that is > being poorly managed, marketed ... the only advantage IBM has right > now over vms is marketing ... IBM has *always* had that advantage. Back in the 80's, the standing wry comment was that if IBM owned DEC's product portfolio, or if DEC had IBM's marketing, either way one would be absolutely untouchable. --- OpenVMS - The classics never go out of style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:37:30 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: VMS in medical business Message-ID: <420AC8EA.ECFD5779@comcast.net> "Main, Kerry" wrote: > [snip] > Hey, I am all for improving marketing, but this was clearly an x86 win. > If the Customer wants an x86 solution and feels that it will meet their > requirements, whether or not I would propose something different is > irrelevant. Well, yes and no. If you can get your margins on the Wintel kit, then go for it. If the customer is sensitive about downtime, security, and so on, suggesting an alternative only costs you a few minutes or less in a presentation. If they don't bite, you lost nothing, and maybe earned alittle extra something for demonstarting concern for the customer and their business. If they do biet, you've opened a door you might otherwise have passed up altogether. As you and countless others have said, "there is a lot more to 'marketing' than just advertising"! Salesmanship goes a long way. > I am just glad it was won by HP and not IBM, who no doubt > were pitching their x86 platform equivalents as well - even though they > have alternate platform offerings as well. Again, if Wintel kit brings in the margins, that's the bottom line, right? ...or is it? -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:49:52 +0800 From: prep@prep.synonet.com Subject: Re: Why aren't more universities doing this? Message-ID: <87k6phms2n.fsf@prep.synonet.com> "John Smith" writes: > Got any big open source Cobol or open source PL/1 apps that need > porting to VMS in mind? Then Bill could get a free Itanic for his > school by getting those ported and web enabled. What is REX written in? Object REX is on SourceForge btw. -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.081 ************************