INFO-VAX Fri, 04 Feb 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 69 Contents: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again... Attunity discontinuing support for RMS? DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 800 Re: DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 800 Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: Full page color HP ad for Re: Full page color HP ad for Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Intrusion attempts Re: Is there a FAQ for this group ? 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Message-ID: In article <4201FA0E.7040706@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon writes: > Dave Froble was overheard to say: >> >> The change to the example above to preclude such mistakes is: >> >> external long function sys$exit( LONG by value ) >> >> But 'REAL' programmers don't need such compiler help, or do they? :-) >> >> Dave > > But then surely 'REAL' programmers KNOW all the system services, > all the relevant parameters and their passing mechanisms... ;-) Real programmers use languages for which system services and their calling conventions are predefined. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 2005 17:31:53 -0800 From: mpchar1@earthlink.net Subject: Attunity discontinuing support for RMS? Message-ID: <1107480713.457880.231700@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> I've heard a rumor that Attunity may be discontinuing support for RMS? Can anyone verify? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:36:54 -0600 From: "Roy Osborn" Subject: DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 800 Message-ID: <4202a85a$1_1@127.0.0.1> I am trying to get DECnet up on a AlphaServer 800 running ancient VMS 6.2-1H3 with SRM v.5.6-16 I have installed ECO's: ALPCPU0d05_062 ALPCPU1A02_062 ALPCPU1B03_062 but not ALPLAN05_062 as it requires TCP/IP 4.2, which I don't have yet. Remote nodes have been defined with NCP. Both DE500 NICs were configured from the SRM with "set ewa0_mod fast". I am trying to talk to a couple of MicroVax's (VMS 5.2 and 5.4) which have no trouble communicating with each other over DECnet. On the DE500, 100 light glows yellow, link light is not lit. Connected to a LinkSys 10/100 hub along with one of the MicroVax's (running at 10 MBit through a "Ethernet Media Converter"). There is another DE500 in the unit that will eventually be used for TCP/IP, 100M light glows yellow, link light glow green. Someone said you must have TCP/IP software installed to use the DE500 on DECnet, but that doesn't seem right to me. Any ideas on what to check out next? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 04:53:17 GMT From: Gib Copeland Subject: Re: DE500, Decnet, VMS 6.2 on Alpha 800 Message-ID: <1dDMd.18496$C24.16047@attbi_s52> Roy Osborn wrote: > I am trying to get DECnet up on a AlphaServer 800 running ancient VMS > 6.2-1H3 with SRM v.5.6-16 > > Remote nodes have been defined with NCP. It would be helpful to know if your Alpha's running DECnet Phase IV or V. ($ product show product) Please report the results of these commands: $ mcr ncp list known lines $ mcr ncp list known circuits $ type sys$manager:net$csmacd_startup.ncl $ type sys$manager:net$routing_startup.ncl > > Both DE500 NICs were configured from the SRM with "set ewa0_mod fast". > If you have two DE500's, you should be aware that the settings for the second NIC use the SRM environment variable "ewb0_mode" > I am trying to talk to a couple of MicroVax's (VMS 5.2 and 5.4) which have > no trouble communicating with each other over DECnet. > > On the DE500, 100 light glows yellow, link light is not lit. That's not good. Bad cable? > > Connected to a LinkSys 10/100 hub along with one of the MicroVax's (running > at 10 MBit through a "Ethernet Media Converter"). > > There is another DE500 in the unit that will eventually be used for TCP/IP, > 100M light glows yellow, link light glow green. Try swapping the cables with the other NIC -- LLGG? > Someone said you must have TCP/IP software installed to use the DE500 on > DECnet, but that doesn't seem right to me. You're right, you don't need TCP/IP Services (or UCX) to use DECnet with your DE500's. > Any ideas on what to check out next? > itrc.hp.com ( http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/categoryhome.do?categoryId=290 ) or openvms.org (http://www.openvms.org/phorum/list.php?f=1) Signal to noise ratio in this group is pretty low these days. You'll have better luck with the addresses above. Gib ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:35:02 +0000 (UTC) From: dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Message-ID: In article , Joe Smith wrote: > >And the computer graphics in the TRON movie were calculated on a PDP-10. > Not all of TRON was done by Triple-I. There were two other companies; MAGI (I think I spelled that correctly) is the only one whose name I recall at the moment. I don't know whether these other companies also used PDP-10s. -- David Evans dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Research Associate, Ph.D. Candidate http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:48:00 GMT From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Message-ID: On 2005-02-03, David Evans wrote: > In article , > Joe Smith wrote: >>And the computer graphics in the TRON movie were calculated on a PDP-10. > Not all of TRON was done by Triple-I. There were two other > companies; MAGI (I think I spelled that correctly) is the only one > whose name I recall at the moment. I don't know whether these other > companies also used PDP-10s. There were a total of four companies that did animation for TRON. I don't recall off the top of my head which did what, but it's in the making-of video on the 20th Anniversary edition DVD. All four are listed in the credits. Didn't Triple-I use the F-1, though? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:28:03 +0000 (UTC) From: dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Message-ID: In article , Jay Maynard wrote: >On 2005-02-03, David Evans wrote: >> In article , >> Joe Smith wrote: >>>And the computer graphics in the TRON movie were calculated on a PDP-10. >> Not all of TRON was done by Triple-I. There were two other >> companies; MAGI (I think I spelled that correctly) is the only one >> whose name I recall at the moment. I don't know whether these other >> companies also used PDP-10s. > >There were a total of four companies that did animation for TRON. I don't >recall off the top of my head which did what, but it's in the making-of >video on the 20th Anniversary edition DVD. All four are listed in the >credits. > Yeah, that's where I'm remembering my info from, although since I haven't watched the DVD in quite a few months it wouldn't surprise me if I had forgotten about more companies. >Didn't Triple-I use the F-1, though? > Yep. Dave Sieg has some info here: http://vhost2.zfx.com/~dave/f1.html Interestingly bizarre KA-10 cab colours. -- David Evans dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Research Associate, Ph.D. Candidate http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:01:56 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Message-ID: <1107471035.d8572d9b57040c0729285be3ffb6404a@teranews> re: TRON the movie. (not sure first post went through, sorry if duplicate) The following really puts the movie in perspective for those times : (1982) Company credits at: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0084827/companycredits It lists special effects from: Digital Effects Inc. [us] MAGI-Synthavision Robert Abel and Associates [us] Stargate Films Inc. [us] Some of these names are probably companies that bought the original companies. MAGI is only shown to have done 2 movies Tron and another one in 1985. Stargate has Tron in 1982, and then nothing intil 1990 followed by plenty in the late 1990s. http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0084827/trivia # TRON is a BASIC command, short for "trace on". The command is a debugging tool, to trace a program line by line to ferret out bugs and glitches. (It's opposite is TROFF, which turns the trace off.) # The movie was passed over for an Academy Award nomination for Best Visual Effects because the Academy felt TRON "cheated" by using a computer. # Many people have claimed over the years that the title/character's name is a reference to a computer command. Steven Lisberger, however, has made it clear in interview after interview that he got the name from "Electronic", and didn't even know about the commands until some time later. Interestingly enough, the BASIC command Tron serves a similar function to the Tron Program in the movie. # At the time, computers could generate static images, but could not automatically put them into motion. Thus, the coordinates for each image, such as a lightcycle, had to be entered for each individual frame. It took 600 coordinates to get 4 seconds of film. Each of these coordinates was entered into the computer by hand by the filmmakers. # Many Disney animators refused to work on this movie because they feared that computers would put them out of business. In fact, 22 years later Disney closed its and-drawn animation studio in favor of CGI animation # While computer animation was used in several scenes, the technology did not exist for a shot to contain both live actors and computer animation. Live-action shots were fantasized using hand-drawn animation. Strong editing, such as with the light cycle chase, created an apparently seamless blend of actors and computer animation. # Another tidbit: in all but a very few scenes, the camera is in a fixed location, bolted to the ground. (which probably was required to make the overlay of computer generated stuff possible. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:57:30 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Message-ID: <1107470767.499dc0c73edb6f6b3084495a9249c406@teranews> re: TRON the movie. The following really puts the movie in perspective for those times : (1982) Company credits at: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0084827/companycredits It lists special effects from: Digital Effects Inc. [us] MAGI-Synthavision Robert Abel and Associates [us] Stargate Films Inc. [us] Some of these names are probably companies that bought the original companies. MAGI is only shown to have done 2 movies Tron and another one in 1985. Stargate has Tron in 1982, and then nothing intil 1990 followed by plenty in the late 1990s. http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0084827/trivia # TRON is a BASIC command, short for "trace on". The command is a debugging tool, to trace a program line by line to ferret out bugs and glitches. (It's opposite is TROFF, which turns the trace off.) # The movie was passed over for an Academy Award nomination for Best Visual Effects because the Academyn felt TRON "cheated" by using a computer. # Many people have claimed over the years that the title/character's name is a reference to a computer command. Steven Lisberger, however, has made it clear in interview after interview that he got the name from "Electronic", and didn't even know about the commands until some time later. Interestingly enough, the BASIC command Tron serves a similar function to the Tron Program in the movie. # At the time, computers could generate static images, but could not automatically put them into motion. Thus, the coordinates for each image, such as a lightcycle, had to be entered for each individual frame. It took 600 coordinates to get 4 seconds of film. Each of these coordinates was entered into the computer by hand by the filmmakers. # Many Disney animators refused to work on this movie because they feared that computers would put them out of business. In fact, 22 years later Disney closed its and-drawn animation studio in favor of CGI animation # While computer animation was used in several scenes, the technology did not exist for a shot to contain both live actors and computer animation. Live-action shots were fantasized using hand-drawn animation. Strong editing, such as with the light cycle chase, created an apparently seamless blend of actors and computer animation. # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:26:28 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Full page color HP ad for Message-ID: <4202DD53.58C33606@comcast.net> John Smith wrote: > > .....Itanic servers in my local paper today. > > No mention of *any* operating system. Guess that means I can install Solaris > on it. I do lurk on alt.solaris.x86. I've not seen mention of it, but I skip a lot of stuff... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 02:43:47 GMT From: CJT Subject: Re: Full page color HP ad for Message-ID: <4202E153.6070300@prodigy.net> John Smith wrote: > .....Itanic servers in my local paper today. > > No mention of *any* operating system. Guess that means I can install Solaris > on it. > > Perhaps if you port it. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:04:42 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Message-ID: <00A3ED81.C5DACA37@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <1107455262.334578.101620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, kenneth.randell@verizon.net writes: > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's Forum. > >> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal configuration. >> I need to rack mount this system. Has anyone here done the same and, >> if so, what is the part number. I have found a part number searching >> HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is "HP Integrity rx2600 server >> rack bezel upgrade. As luck would have it, there's no picture and no >> specification. It seems to me to only be the face plate and it is a >> tad pricey for just that if it does not contain all of the mounting >> hardware to stuff it in a rack. >> > >Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit. > >This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here: > >http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/supplies.html > >A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'm >right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the left >bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side. I got this from >the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal conversion kit. Wouldn't you know it. This link says that the part I need is AB376A: HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit. I went to the HP Parts Store and it says that this part is no longer supplied. Itanium *has* sunk! Talk about riding on a dead horse. What a waste of my $2K -- http://www.ProvN.com for the *best* OpenVMS system security solutions that others only claim to be. -- Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.: The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:37:54 -0600 From: "Grant, James B." Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Message-ID: kenneth.randel @verizon.net wrote: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's Forum. >> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal configuration. >> I need to rack mount this system. Has anyone here done the same and, >> if so, what is the part number. I have found a part number searching >> HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is "HP Integrity rx2600 server >> rack bezel upgrade. As luck would have it, there's no picture and no >> specification. It seems to me to only be the face plate and it is a >> tad pricey for just that if it does not contain all of the mounting >> hardware to stuff it in a rack. >> >Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit. >This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here: >http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/suppli es.html >A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'm >right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the left >bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side. I got this from >the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal conversion kit. The A6939B is the complete kit for a 19" rack and includes rails, powercords, swing arm and dark grey bezel. The A6939A is the same except the bezel is light grey (putty). Jim Grant VMS and UNIX Sysadmin University of Missouri - Kansas City ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 2005 13:13:11 -0800 From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Message-ID: <1107464089.672306.110700@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <1107455262.334578.101620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, kenneth.randell@verizon.net > Wouldn't you know it. This link says that the part I need is AB376A: > HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit. I went to the HP Parts Store and it > says that this part is no longer supplied. > > Itanium *has* sunk! Talk about riding on a dead horse. What a waste > of my $2K > I'll trade ya a PWS 500au with 1GB memory and 36GB of disk plus a shelf to lay it on in your rack... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:33:47 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Message-ID: <_vOdnbxD6eAjBZ_fRVn-pA@igs.net> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <1107455262.334578.101620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > kenneth.randell@verizon.net writes: >> >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's Forum. >> >>> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal configuration. >>> I need to rack mount this system. Has anyone here done the same >>> and, if so, what is the part number. I have found a part number >>> searching HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is "HP Integrity >>> rx2600 server rack bezel upgrade. As luck would have it, there's >>> no picture and no specification. It seems to me to only be the >>> face plate and it is a tad pricey for just that if it does not >>> contain all of the mounting hardware to stuff it in a rack. >>> >> >> Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit. >> >> This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here: >> >> http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/supplies.ht ml >> >> A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'm >> right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the left >> bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side. I got this from >> the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal conversion >> kit. > > Wouldn't you know it. This link says that the part I need is AB376A: > HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit. I went to the HP Parts Store and it > says that this part is no longer supplied. > > Itanium *has* sunk! Talk about riding on a dead horse. What a waste > of my $2K $4 worth of 2x4 from Home Depot will solve your problem either way.......build some rack rails with it, or use it to beat the living cr*p out of the server in order to relieve your frustration with HP. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:33:39 GMT From: Rick Jones Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Message-ID: <7FxMd.7194$H46.2423@news.cpqcorp.net> VAXman- wrote: > Wouldn't you know it. This link says that the part I need is > AB376A: HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit. I went to the HP Parts > Store and it says that this part is no longer supplied. I would suspect a glitch on partsurfer, or perhaps a part number change that was not reflected in the previous link. I'm leaning towards the former since I can enter that AB376A as a part number (as opposed to product number) and it does come-up - albeit with a description as an rx2620 field rack kit (IIRC it is the same chassis as the rx2600). What does not appear for me is a box into which I can enter quantity. Feel free to excercise the "Contact Us" link that should be off to the left there. I've do so, but it wouldn't hurt to have it repeated. The AB376A appears in the current ordering guides that go to the sales types, and from what I can see (not an official quote :) it is $75. hth, rick jones -- oxymoron n, commuter in a gas-guzzling luxury SUV with an American flag these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com but NOT BOTH... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:16:45 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Message-ID: <00A3ED9C.99E84A3B@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <_vOdnbxD6eAjBZ_fRVn-pA@igs.net>, "John Smith" writes: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <1107455262.334578.101620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, >> kenneth.randell@verizon.net writes: >>> >>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's Forum. >>> >>>> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal configuration. >>>> I need to rack mount this system. Has anyone here done the same >>>> and, if so, what is the part number. I have found a part number >>>> searching HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is "HP Integrity >>>> rx2600 server rack bezel upgrade. As luck would have it, there's >>>> no picture and no specification. It seems to me to only be the >>>> face plate and it is a tad pricey for just that if it does not >>>> contain all of the mounting hardware to stuff it in a rack. >>>> >>> >>> Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit. >>> >>> This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here: >>> >>> >http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/supplies.ht >ml >>> >>> A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'm >>> right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the left >>> bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side. I got this from >>> the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal conversion >>> kit. >> >> Wouldn't you know it. This link says that the part I need is AB376A: >> HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit. I went to the HP Parts Store and it >> says that this part is no longer supplied. >> >> Itanium *has* sunk! Talk about riding on a dead horse. What a waste >> of my $2K > > >$4 worth of 2x4 from Home Depot will solve your problem either >way.......build some rack rails with it, or use it to beat the living cr*p >out of the server in order to relieve your frustration with HP. I could have had myself a 20" iMac G5 for $2K. -- http://www.ProvN.com for the *best* OpenVMS system security solutions that others only claim to be. -- Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.: The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:29:49 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Message-ID: <2d-dneVwd_BCOJ_fRVn-3g@igs.net> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <_vOdnbxD6eAjBZ_fRVn-pA@igs.net>, "John Smith" > writes: >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> In article <1107455262.334578.101620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, >>> kenneth.randell@verizon.net writes: >>>> >>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>>> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's >>>>> Forum. >>>> >>>>> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal >>>>> configuration. I need to rack mount this system. Has anyone here >>>>> done the same and, if so, what is the part number. I have found >>>>> a part number searching HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is >>>>> "HP Integrity rx2600 server rack bezel upgrade. As luck would >>>>> have it, there's no picture and no specification. It seems to me >>>>> to only be the face plate and it is a tad pricey for just that if >>>>> it does not contain all of the mounting hardware to stuff it in a >>>>> rack. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit. >>>> >>>> This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here: >>>> >>>> >> http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/supplies.ht >> ml >>>> >>>> A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'm >>>> right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the >>>> left bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side. I got >>>> this from the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal >>>> conversion kit. >>> >>> Wouldn't you know it. This link says that the part I need is >>> AB376A: HP Itanium rx2600 Field Rack Kit. I went to the HP Parts >>> Store and it says that this part is no longer supplied. >>> >>> Itanium *has* sunk! Talk about riding on a dead horse. What a >>> waste of my $2K >> >> >> $4 worth of 2x4 from Home Depot will solve your problem either >> way.......build some rack rails with it, or use it to beat the >> living cr*p out of the server in order to relieve your frustration >> with HP. > > I could have had myself a 20" iMac G5 for $2K. More apps available for it too. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 2005 18:47:01 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Message-ID: In article <36f8dnF4tv2bhU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" writes: > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>... >> IDF but have not received a single response. I have a lot of Itanium >> here that I can't use if I can't rack mount it. >>... > > While searching for information about the RX2600 I noticed that there is > a manual named hp workstations zx6000, hp server rx2600 - tower to rack > and rack to tower system conversion guide (a7857-90017) on the page > http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DocumentIndex.jsp?contentType=SupportManual&locale=en_US&docIndexId=179911&taskId=101&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=447335 I tried to read it but got a "page not found" looking for the PDF file. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 2005 17:01:28 -0800 From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Message-ID: <1107478888.099139.266180@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Or 4 base level Mac Mini's for just tad more... Anybody for a MacCluster? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:31:40 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Message-ID: <4202DE8C.BD4E9D29@comcast.net> "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote: > > Or 4 base level Mac Mini's for just tad more... Anybody for a > MacCluster? Do I get fries with that? -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 04:34:36 GMT From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: HP rx2600 rack mount conversion Message-ID: In article <00A3ED9C.6C7AC514@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >In article , "Grant, James B." writes: >>kenneth.randel @verizon.net wrote: >> >>>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>> I have one of the rx2600 servers from the Itanium Developer's Forum. >> >>>> This unit arrived in the "Jersey Wall" floor pedestal configuration. >>>> I need to rack mount this system. Has anyone here done the same and, >>>> if so, what is the part number. I have found a part number searching >>>> HP's site (MFG#: A9911A) which says it is "HP Integrity rx2600 server >>>> rack bezel upgrade. As luck would have it, there's no picture and no >>>> specification. It seems to me to only be the face plate and it is a >>>> tad pricey for just that if it does not contain all of the mounting >>>> hardware to stuff it in a rack. >>>> >> >>>Looks to me like you want AB376A for the actual rack-mount kit. >> >>>This is called out on page 5 of the QuickSpecs and also here: >>>http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2620/suppli >>es.html >> >>>A9911A looks to me like just the front plastic cover bezel. If I'm >>>right, then there are two parts for it; A7231-04055 which is the left >>>bezel & latch, A7231-04053, which is the right side. I got this from >>>the rx2600 I have, but it was ordered with the pedastal conversion kit. >> >>The A6939B is the complete kit for a 19" rack and includes rails, >>powercords, swing arm and dark grey bezel. >> >>The A6939A is the same except the bezel is light grey (putty). >> >>Jim Grant >>VMS and UNIX Sysadmin >>University of Missouri - Kansas City > >Putting in the A6939A part number returned: > >A6939A, A6939AR, and A6939AZR... all 3 are listed "Part No longer supplied" >A6939B is also "Part No longer supplied" A6939B sounds like the right part. The other one was the old color scheme; I'm not surprised if it isn't sold any more. A6939B should be orderable. I don't know what you are using to check availability (your problem report was rather incomplete in this respect), but the rack mount kits are still available; the group I work in buys them all the time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:40:59 -0800 From: Ken Fairfield Subject: Re: Intrusion attempts Message-ID: Syltrem wrote: > Hi > > When I do the following: > $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/ENABLE=LOGFAIL=ALL > > I will get a message similar to this one when a failed login attempt is is > detected > > > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 3-FEB-2005 08:41:24.96 %%%%%%%%%%% (from node > KRONOS at > 3-FEB-2005 08:41:24.97) > Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on KRONOS > Security alarm (SECURITY) on KRONOS, system id: 1050 > Auditable event: Local interactive login failure > Event time: 3-FEB-2005 08:41:24.97 > PID: 204B826B > Process name: _VTA2781: > Username: > Terminal name: VTA2781, _NTY3751, [166.110.120.82] > Remote node fullname: TELNET > Remote username: A66E7852 > Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user > > Is there any way to determine what username was actually entered? The > AUDIT$SERVER message always shows unless an actual username (i.e. > one that exists in sysuaf) was entered. As John Briggs pointed out, there are security issues if that information were sent in a OPCOM message. On the other hand, the information you seek is available via ACCOUNTING (which is where I find it), and mostly via ANALYZE/AUDIT (which I haven't tried, so can't guarantee, but would expect it's there). -Ken -- I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me... Ken Fairfield D1C Automation VMS System Support who: kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:06:16 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Intrusion attempts Message-ID: <1107467699.c323c63010b543e791c989fd0c5c5bac@teranews> Syltrem wrote: > Is there any way to determine what username was actually entered? ANA/AUDIT/FULL is supposed to reveal a bit more. But doesn't show password entered anymore. Note that if the user enters nothing at the Login: prompt and uses or a timeout, then is all that VMS can log. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:21:21 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Intrusion attempts Message-ID: <1107468601.c771d249a0112acccb1228ea123424bd@teranews> briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: > One assumes that the bad guys aren't using this as a covert channel > to determine which usernames are valid by listening to OPCOM > console chatter in the next room and counting the characters > in the login failure audits being printed to OPA0: In the age of internet, the VMS so called "security" is severely hampering investigations of breakin attempts. Heck, I remember back in the 5.5-2 days, I was able to help users on the phone by looking at OPCOM messages because they contained valuable information. But now, I, as a system manager, cannot do that anymore because that information is hidden from me. Having full information for failed attempts is very important, even if it isn't displayed in OPCOM, it shoudl be available in the audit file. It is far more important to know how hackers in asia are trying to get in than to prevent someone in a room next to OPCOM listen to the bells. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:01:19 -0500 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: Intrusion attempts Message-ID: <4202E57F.3040901@tsoft-inc.com> JF Mezei wrote: > Syltrem wrote: > >>Is there any way to determine what username was actually entered? >> > > ANA/AUDIT/FULL is supposed to reveal a bit more. But doesn't show > password entered anymore. > > Note that if the user enters nothing at the Login: prompt and uses > or a timeout, then is all that VMS can log. > This is among a group of many, where someone had to make a decision, and nobody is happy, either way. If there was switches for such, than each system admin could choose what he wants recorded/not recorded. Just my humble opinion. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:24:47 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Is there a FAQ for this group ? Message-ID: <4202DCEF.6BE74573@comcast.net> Hoff Hoffman wrote: > [snip] > Isn't there a prescription cream for stalwart removal? :-) Is a stalwart much different from a wall-wart? -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:08:06 GMT From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACL Message-ID: In article <20050203213657.34738.qmail@web81105.mail.yahoo.com>, "James J. O'Shea" writes: :I'm on a VAX running OpenVMS6.2 : :Is there a lexical function that will return the ACLs :associated with a given file? No, there is no such DCL lexical function. What are you up to, in particular? There may well be some alternative(s) available, depending on the particular goal or particular requirements. ---------------------------- #include ----------------------------- For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman OpenVMS Engineering hoff[at]hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:36:57 -0800 (PST) From: "James J. O'Shea" Subject: Lexical to get ACL Message-ID: <20050203213657.34738.qmail@web81105.mail.yahoo.com> I'm on a VAX running OpenVMS6.2 Is there a lexical function that will return the ACLs associated with a given file? Thanks, Jim O'Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:56:04 -0800 (PST) From: "James J. O'Shea" Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACL Message-ID: <20050203215604.66394.qmail@web81103.mail.yahoo.com> In a command procedure I want to: 1. Save the ACLs and protection settings of file1 2. Delete file1 3. Create file2 using the same name as file1 4. Apply original ACLs and protection of file1 to file2 --- Hoff Hoffman wrote: > In article > <20050203213657.34738.qmail@web81105.mail.yahoo.com>, > "James J. O'Shea" writes: > :I'm on a VAX running OpenVMS6.2 > : > :Is there a lexical function that will return the > ACLs > :associated with a given file? > > No, there is no such DCL lexical function. > > What are you up to, in particular? There may well > be some > alternative(s) available, depending on the > particular goal > or particular requirements. > > > ---------------------------- #include > ----------------------------- > For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- > www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq > --------------------------- pure personal opinion > --------------------------- > Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman OpenVMS Engineering > hoff[at]hp.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:37:35 GMT From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACL Message-ID: In article <20050203215604.66394.qmail@web81103.mail.yahoo.com>, "James J. O'Shea" writes: :In a command procedure I want to: : :1. Save the ACLs and protection settings of file1 :2. Delete file1 :3. Create file2 using the same name as file1 :4. Apply original ACLs and protection of file1 to :file2 CREATE file2 SET SECURITY/LIKE=NAME=file1 file2 DELETE file1 ---------------------------- #include ----------------------------- For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman OpenVMS Engineering hoff[at]hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:43:43 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Lexical to get ACL Message-ID: <4202E15F.9745DF5@comcast.net> Hoff Hoffman wrote: > > In article <20050203215604.66394.qmail@web81103.mail.yahoo.com>, "James J. O'Shea" writes: > :In a command procedure I want to: > : > :1. Save the ACLs and protection settings of file1 > :2. Delete file1 > :3. Create file2 using the same name as file1 > :4. Apply original ACLs and protection of file1 to > :file2 > > CREATE file2 > SET SECURITY/LIKE=NAME=file1 file2 > DELETE file1 That would be one approach, yes, assuming there's room on the target volume for both "versions" of the file. If not, one could: 1. Set the EOF block and FFB so the file "looks" empty, then 2. SET FILE/TRUNCATE (use SET FILE/ATTR first to change a file that you could normally not truncate to one you can). 3. Create the new version 4. Propagate the security profile 5. Delete the old file. I've "agonized" over this concept for many years, even developed some DCL to maintain/progate ACLs such that the file security could be maintained in one location, then applied by simply invoking a proc. I've never found a good use for it, however, as the software vendors I've encountered since then still have not understood file/object protection to point that users do not need outrageous privileges just to do their work. When you think about some of the vendors I've mentioned since 1999, it's really rather disturbing. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:33:28 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: OT: Curly soon to be out of a job Message-ID: <1107480118.7047b617e5ddca7a62817d6b8db3f303@teranews> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4234027.stm BBC reports that the Wall Street journal reports that Qwest will make a bid for MCI. Where will Curly go ? Are there any companies left that are in such a bad shape that nobody wants to take on the job of CEO, leaving the door opened for the accountant to get another job of scuttling and then selling the company ? ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 2005 14:38:02 -0800 From: "issinoho@gmail.com" Subject: Re: php.ini options in MOD_PHP Message-ID: <1107470281.971925.117010@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Disappointing response, guys. Is anyone out there developing with PHP on VMS? Hey! Guys at HP! Who can I talk to about this? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:43:34 -0500 From: Ken Robinson Subject: Re: php.ini options in MOD_PHP Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050203193853.06b6ebb8@mail.patmedia.net> At 05:38 PM 2/3/2005, issinoho@gmail.com wrote: >Disappointing response, guys. >Is anyone out there developing with PHP on VMS? >Hey! Guys at HP! Who can I talk to about this? The ported PHP is PHP, so you should be able to add whatever is supported in the init file to the one on VMS. I don't know why HP shipped a stripped down version. I'm starting to write PHP code on VMS and since I don't use the VMS extensions, I can test it on the DS10 on my desk at work using CSWS (Apache) and then move it to a UNIX server for more testing or send it home to modify and run on my Win XP laptop which also runs PHP and Apache locally. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:07:39 +0000 From: John Laird Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM Message-ID: On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:49:57 -0600, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote: >I am wondering if there is a way to capture the P2 flag when executing >SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM Edit it and pass as many of the Pn parameters as you need to syshutdwn.com ? It's only a single line change and if you forget to check after your next upgrade (if/when shutdown.com may change), you could have your site-specific procedure write out something if any or all parameters are found to be missing. -- I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder. Mail john rather than nospam... ------------------------------ Date: 3 FEB 2005 19:14:43 GMT From: Dave Greenwood Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM Message-ID: <3FEB05.19144378@feda01.fed.ornl.gov> In a previous article, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote: > I am wondering if there is a way to capture the P2 flag when executing > SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM > > For example, I have the following two symbols: > > REBOOT == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 REBOOT NO YES YES YES REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK" > SHUTDOWN == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 STANDALONE NO YES NO NO REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK" > > (Nothing more than the standard REBOOT and SHUTDOWN symbols) > P2 = REBOOT or STANDALONE > > > In SYS$SYSTEM:SYSHUTDWN.COM I log the SHUTDOWN request in a text file: > > $ TYPE SYS$MANAGER:_SHUTDOWN_.XXX; > SHUTDOWN/REBOOT (SHUTDOWN) on requested by at > > > During STARTUP if this file is detected then I can assume that the server was > SHUTDOWN and did not experience a CRASH. If the file is NOT there then the > server CRASHed. > > > Therefore I can differentiate between a CRASH and a requested SHUTDOWN. > However it would be nice to differentiate between a REBOOT and a STANDALONE. > > I could change the symbols (REBOOT and SHUTDOWN) to execute a command file to > do so but I would rather not. Looking at SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM, I see that the logical name OPC$REBOOT is set to the value of P6 which is the answer to the question about doing an automatic reboot. You should be able to check the translation of that logical name in SYSHUTDWN.COM to see if you're doing a (standalone) shutdown or a reboot. Dave -------------- Dave Greenwood Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV Oak Ridge National Lab %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:53:25 -0600 From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM Message-ID: <05020313532591@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com> Dave Greenwood writes: > Looking at SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM, I see that the logical name OPC$REBOOT is > set to the value of P6 which is the answer to the question about doing an > automatic reboot. You should be able to check the translation of that > logical name in SYSHUTDWN.COM to see if you're doing a (standalone) shutdown > or a reboot. I wish it was that easy. The OPC$REBOOT logical is defined after SYSHUTDWN.COM is executed... :( John Laird wites: > Edit it and pass as many of the Pn parameters as you need to syshutdwn.com ? > It's only a single line change and if you forget to check after your next > upgrade (if/when shutdown.com may change), you could have your site-specific > procedure write out something if any or all parameters are found to be > missing. I was hoping to avoid changing that file. John "REBOOT" Brandon VMS Systems Administrator firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:35:03 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: REBOOT or SHUTDOWN, how to tell in SYSSHUTDWN.COM Message-ID: <4202DF57.A0848E2@comcast.net> John Brandon wrote: > > I am wondering if there is a way to capture the P2 flag when executing > SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM > > For example, I have the following two symbols: > > REBOOT == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 REBOOT NO YES YES YES REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK" > SHUTDOWN == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 STANDALONE NO YES NO NO REMOVE_NODE,REBOOT_CHECK" > > (Nothing more than the standard REBOOT and SHUTDOWN symbols) > P2 = REBOOT or STANDALONE > > In SYS$SYSTEM:SYSHUTDWN.COM I log the SHUTDOWN request in a text file: > > $ TYPE SYS$MANAGER:_SHUTDOWN_.XXX; > SHUTDOWN/REBOOT (SHUTDOWN) on requested by at > > During STARTUP if this file is detected then I can assume that the server was > SHUTDOWN and did not experience a CRASH. If the file is NOT there then the > server CRASHed. > > Therefore I can differentiate between a CRASH and a requested SHUTDOWN. > However it would be nice to differentiate between a REBOOT and a STANDALONE. > > I could change the symbols (REBOOT and SHUTDOWN) to execute a command file to > do so but I would rather not. > > Any ideas? I'd be curious to know what you would do differently in either case. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:49:46 GMT From: "Mark Pizzolato" Subject: Re: SCSI ON A VAX 4000/500 - WHAT DO I NEED? Message-ID: "Hoff Hoffman" wrote in message news:PrDCd.5069$5o6.1376@news.cpqcorp.net... > In article , "John E. Malmberg" > writes: > :[followups set to comp.os.vms] > :Michael Kukat wrote: > :> > :> Sure, CD-ROM and TK50Z and stuff works. It's made for this and > supported by the > :> firmware. It even might be the firmware has no limitations in this > place and > :> can boot from hard disks here. But VMS doesn't support this controller > as a > :> hard disk controller. Pure political stuff. It has "just" 128KB buffer, > and is > :> not so intelligent like MSCP adapters, that's the reason why DEC sold > this just > :> as an interface for CD-ROMs and tapes. I didn't get any information > about this > :> thing, otherwise i would have written a driver for NetBSD for it :) But > in my > :> research i heard about the very bad implementation of this board. IIRC, > it was > :> something with the SCSI bus itself, no so much the controller logic. > : > :As the KZQSA is an "ancient" adapter, I do not know the exact reasons > :that support is limited to CD-ROMs and Tapes. Sorry to so late on this subject.... I once did some testing on this controller and although disks 'did' work, you'd hardly ever want to use them connected here. The reason being the above mentioned 128K byte buffer. This was a buffer on the board which appeared in Qbus memory space. The host CPU was responsible for all data transfers to/from this buffer (i.e. there was NO DMA, so the host CPU was the DMA engine). This was even worse than you might think (how could that be) since memory acess cycles to Qbus memory were DRAMATICALLY slower than normal memory accesses, the CPU was really sucked away. This probably ended up making disk data transfers significantly more expensive than console floppy access was on an 780. More expensive is relative since the 780 was up to the task, but the 4000/500 was many times faster than the 780, but it was also just "up to the task" of performing these slow data transfers, no CPU left for much of anything else if the application disk I/O load was even slightly interesting. - Mark Pizzolato ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:35:11 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... Message-ID: <382dnaCyXqRr4Z_fRVn-sQ@igs.net> Keith Cayemberg wrote: > John Smith wrote: > >> Keith Cayemberg wrote: >> >>> AlphaPowered - Technical Presentations >>> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20010203183000/alphapowered.com/alpha_tech_presen >> ts.html >> >>> Alpha and IA64 White Paper - PDF >>> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20010203183000/http://alphapowered.com/presentati >> ons/alpha_ia64.pdf >> >> >> I think I will e-mail these links to the HP BoD and to all the Wall >> Street analysts, and press contacts I know. >> >> "Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble......." >> -- Bill Shakespeare >> >> > If you wish to send anyone this document, I suggest you send the PDF > file itself. Highlighting that the document is still online may result > in its removal from the Internet Archive, as was already the case for > the original site. Don't worry about me sending the link - I'd send the full document as an attachment. But I wouldn't put it past HP apologists who have seen the link published in this thread to run back to the HP Ministry of Propaganda and point out the existence of the offending document elsewhere on the web. We'd then immediately see an article published in HP's in-house newspaper 'Pravda' about how IA64 is superior to all non-manifesto processors (Alpha). I was re-reading the .pdf and was thinking about pages 28-30 and the discussion of cache sizes - you could practically fit 2 Alpha cores in the space the latest IA64 reserves for on-chip cache....well almost; and the estimates of Alpha performance improvements, which over the life of the chip could have amounted to 100x improved vs. 1999 status. In the end, I think it was Curly looking at his annual bonus payout that drove the decision to kill Alpha. By axing the cpu, the company 'saved' whatever they wrote-off on their books, which in turn boosted ROE by some small fraction of 1% and allowed Compaq to slightly smaller numbers in the expense column that year. Curly probably got an extra $300,000 un-earned dollars in his bonus as a result, and Compaq/HP turned a $4b annual business into something around the $2B mark today, not counting all the lost revenue which would have accrued since then. It'd say that was pretty good value for $300,000, wouldn't you? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:32:05 -0500 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... Message-ID: <9-6dnUL6K-obX5_fRVn-gw@metrocastcablevision.com> John Smith wrote: ... > But I wouldn't put it past HP apologists who have seen the link published in > this thread to run back to the HP Ministry of Propaganda and point out the > existence of the offending document elsewhere on the web. Last I knew there were a couple of other accessible copies floating around - one at Raytheon, for example (just checked: it's still there). We'd then > immediately see an article published in HP's in-house newspaper 'Pravda' > about how IA64 is superior to all non-manifesto processors (Alpha). Compaq's server group already took care of that, a few months after the Alphacide. > > I was re-reading the .pdf and was thinking about pages 28-30 and the > discussion of cache sizes - you could practically fit 2 Alpha cores in the > space the latest IA64 reserves for on-chip cache....well almost; Well, 'almost' in the sense that you could actually fit considerably *more* than 2 Alpha cores in the same space if they were fabbed in the same process: unless Intel has significantly changed the cache transistors since Madison I, Madison II devotes well over 300 mm^2 to cache space (even if you ignore its L1 and L2 caches) in its 130 nm. process; an entire EV7 chip, not just the Alpha core, wasn't much bigger than that in its 180 nm. process. - bill ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 2005 17:59:07 -0800 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... Message-ID: <1107482347.026555.147220@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> AEF wrote: > John Smith wrote: > > Keith Cayemberg wrote: [...] > > I truly want VMS to succeed, and it appears that only under new mgmt > will that happen. Whatever you all do, I do hope it's successful, even > if it's from Bill. Just to be clear, let me rephrase the last sentence: Whatever you all do to help VMS grow, I do hope it's successful, even if it's something Bill does. p.s. If we can get Alpha development back on track, that would also be great. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:27:23 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3 Message-ID: <1107468961.1ec8d050c88ff299c706aca97b8b52d9@teranews> Hoff Hoffman wrote: > configuration will work nor that the configuration will be supported > -- are based on the system data cell CLU$GB_CLUVER -- the versions > must be within one for the protocol check to succeed. Thank you for this clear explanation. As a suggestion, perhaps there should be some sysgen flag one could set to bypass this restriction. This might allow one to save the day in some situations. There are a lot of old vaxes around that might be powered back on for a last time to save the data etc. I am not asking for official support of disparate clustering versions. Just for a way to bypass the check which, by default is reasonable but which sometimes might be restrictive. This is especially true inlight of the possibility that VAX-VMS might no longer be developped and thus its clustering version will quickly fall behind. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 03:32:20 GMT From: Gib Copeland Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3 Message-ID: <81CMd.46960$IV5.16051@attbi_s54> JF Mezei wrote: > Hoff Hoffman wrote: > >> configuration will work nor that the configuration will be supported >> -- are based on the system data cell CLU$GB_CLUVER -- the versions >> must be within one for the protocol check to succeed. > > > Thank you for this clear explanation. > > As a suggestion, perhaps there should be some sysgen flag one could set > to bypass this restriction. > > This might allow one to save the day in some situations. There are a lot > of old vaxes around that might be powered back on for a last time to > save the data etc. > > I am not asking for official support of disparate clustering versions. > Just for a way to bypass the check which, by default is reasonable but > which sometimes might be restrictive. > > This is especially true inlight of the possibility that VAX-VMS might no > longer be developped and thus its clustering version will quickly fall behind. $ mcr sysgen SYSGEN> SET LUNACY 1 ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 2005 15:38:57 -0800 From: mpchar1@earthlink.net Subject: Vendor support for RMS Message-ID: <1107473937.485597.174180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I've heard a rumor that Attunity is going to stop supporting the RMS database. Can anyone verify this for me? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 2005 18:53:26 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: Vendor support for RMS (Attunity) Message-ID: In article <1107473937.485597.174180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, mpchar1@earthlink.net writes: > I've heard a rumor that Attunity is going to stop supporting the RMS > database. Can anyone verify this for me? Thanks. If so, that person is more likely to read the topic with the name of the vendor included in the subject. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.069 ************************