INFO-VAX Wed, 02 Feb 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 66 Contents: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again... Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again... Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again... Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again... Re: A few Apache CSWS questions: htaccess, php_info Re: A few Apache CSWS questions: htaccess, php_info Re: boot manager by ASM How active colors in KEA emulator ? HP parody site Re: HP parody site Re: HP parody site Re: HP parody site Re: HP parody site Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 Re: Moving from Alpha to Integrity Webcast Re: MySQL problem need upgrade Hp Basic Re: Official Logo Re: Official Logo Re: Official Logo OpenVMS Marketing budget being effectively spent at last Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Re: OT: Battersea Power Station php.ini options in MOD_PHP ssh in VMS Re: ssh in VMS Re: ssh in VMS Re: Suggestion for VAX VMS 8.2 There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3 Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3 Re: VMS CVS client with ssh Re: VMS CVS client with ssh ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:58:56 +0000 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond Subject: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again... Message-ID: <42007A30.7000304@bigpond.com> David B Sneddon - bigpond mentioned in passing: > David B Sneddon mentioned in passing: > >> >> Since you are getting %DCL-W-OKTAB rather that %CLI-S-OKTAB >> would further support Larry's claim. > > > Just to clarify... I hope > > tardis_FTA49> say f$message(261440) > %CLI-W-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format > > tardis_FTA49> exit 261440 > %DCL-W-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format > > So whatever is doing it is exiting with a value of 261440. Sorry to reply yet again to my own post -- but this will be the last... It is possible that somethng is calling SYS$EXIT or LIB$SIGNAL or similar and passing the condition value by reference rather than by value i.e. 261440 is the address of the real exit status. Either way, you will still have to identify the offending program or piece of code. Regards, Dave -- David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.com Sneddo's quick guide ... http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ DBS freeware http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 2005 08:04:23 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again... Message-ID: In article <42006FAD.2070207@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon - bigpond writes: > Larry Kilgallen mentioned in passing: >> As I said, it _probably_ means "the program you ran just returned a >> random binary number", but it is hard to say until you do the work >> to find out what program it is. > > From the source listings... the value for the OKTAB message > is 261141 which results in the following > > tardis_FTA77> say f$message(261441) > %CLI-S-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format > > Since you are getting %DCL-W-OKTAB rather that %CLI-S-OKTAB > would further support Larry's claim. Actually, although I stand by my claim, I am not sure _that_ difference supports it. I recall in the dark past that %CLI messages get changed to %DCL messages in certain circumstances. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:33:58 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again... Message-ID: In article <4200765E.1040304@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon - bigpond writes: >David B Sneddon mentioned in passing: >> >> Since you are getting %DCL-W-OKTAB rather that %CLI-S-OKTAB >> would further support Larry's claim. > >Just to clarify... I hope > >tardis_FTA49> say f$message(261440) >%CLI-W-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format > >tardis_FTA49> exit 261440 >%DCL-W-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format > >So whatever is doing it is exiting with a value of 261440. Ok, this helps. The problem is with the OSU webserver, it doesn't want to start up and shuts down with the above error message. I get the same error message in the NETSERVER.LOG file of the HTTP_SERVER account and in the startup logfile of the webserver. There are some cli$routines in the code, so I'll have a look at them. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:25:30 +0000 From: David B Sneddon Subject: Re: %DCL-W-OKTAB again... Message-ID: <42010D0A.7040500@bigpond.com> Larry Kilgallen was overheard to say: > In article <42006FAD.2070207@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon - bigpond writes: > >>Larry Kilgallen mentioned in passing: > > >>>As I said, it _probably_ means "the program you ran just returned a >>>random binary number", but it is hard to say until you do the work >>>to find out what program it is. >> >> From the source listings... the value for the OKTAB message >>is 261141 which results in the following >> >>tardis_FTA77> say f$message(261441) >>%CLI-S-OKTAB, command tables are already in latest format >> >>Since you are getting %DCL-W-OKTAB rather that %CLI-S-OKTAB >>would further support Larry's claim. > > > Actually, although I stand by my claim, I am not sure _that_ difference > supports it. I recall in the dark past that %CLI messages get changed > to %DCL messages in certain circumstances. > The real message is a success whereas the suspect one is a warning. My other reply shows the difference between f$message(261440) and exit 261440 which does change the facility from CLI to DCL. Regards, Dave. -- David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.com Sneddo's quick guide ... http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ DBS freeware http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 2005 01:13:07 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com Subject: Re: A few Apache CSWS questions: htaccess, php_info Message-ID: <1107335587.210734.177510@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Thanks for the pointer, but it doesn't address the problem. As I said, the .htaccess file never gets accessed by CSWS as the alarm ACL never goes off. The .htaccess file has world read+execute access and CSWS displays files in this directory fine. The file formats are all stream_lf. I have no idea where to look next. Bill Ken Robinson wrote: > mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote (in part): > > > > The AuthUserOpenVMS was another experiment to try another method. > > > > The problme is that CSWS never even tries to access these files. I > can > > browse to any file in the apache$root[htdocs] tree or the php tree or > > the user directories, but it never checks for a password. I put > > security alarm ACL's on the .htaccess files and also on the > > passwords.dat file but the files never get touched. > > I just tried using the AuthOpenVMSUser method. I put the following > lines in the file ".htaccess" that resides in the directory I want to > protect. > > AuthType Basic > AuthName "OpenVMS authentication" > AuthOpenVMSUser On > require valid-user > > When I tried to access a web page there, I got the Please enter > Username box. > > See section 4.4 of the Installation guide > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 2005 02:22:11 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com Subject: Re: A few Apache CSWS questions: htaccess, php_info Message-ID: <1107339731.425693.276020@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I have more info now. Actually, CSWS seems to have even more problems. I tried adding the .htaccess file to the root directory (htdocs). When the file is there, CSWS _does_ use it. When I specify the file created by htpasswd.exe, it _does_ work. However, the exact same file in a user [.public_html] directory is completely ignored. Also, there seems to be a problem with the htpasswd.exe again. I created a new directory apache$root:[passwords] and then typed: $ htpasswd -c apache$root:[passwords]passwords.dat jsmith after being prompted for the password twice, it created the file. After that, I can access the main server page using the jsmith user/password. However, when I try to add a new user to the file I get the following: $ htp apache$root:[passwords]passwords.dat jdoe New password: Re-type new password: dsa0:[sys0.syscommon.apache.][bin]htpasswd.exe;1: The file apache$root:[passwords]passwords.dat does not appear to be a valid htpasswd file. Finally, when I tried changing the .htaccess file in the docroot directory to exactly like the one in a previous post (using OpenVMS authentication), the web page displays the following: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, you@your.address and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apache/2.0.47 (OpenVMS) mod_ssl/2.0.47 OpenSSL/0.9.6g PHP/4.3.2 Server at 192.168.0.250 Port 80 ============================================================================= I made sure to add the load for openvms auth in httpd.conf. One last strange issue-- the userdir is ignored in the httpd.conf file. After trying so many ways to get CSWS to look at the .htaccess files in user directories, I made a few changes to the httpd.conf file just to make sure I was looking in the right place. First, I changed the "public_html" part of the "" directive for "/home/*/Public_html" to a bogus name and CSWS _STILL_ found the [.public_html] directories when the URL includes a "/~username". Then, I did the same to the "Userdir public_html" directive and the result was the same-- CSWS still looks in the same place and also ignores the .htaccess files. And before anyone asks, yes, I did restart CSWS after each change to httpd.conf. So, I don't know what else to try. If anyone else using CSWS is using these features successfully I'd appreciate hearing from you. I can't believe that CSWS is _THIS_ bad. Thanks. Bill mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: > Thanks for the pointer, but it doesn't address the problem. As I said, > the .htaccess file never gets accessed by CSWS as the alarm ACL never > goes off. The .htaccess file has world read+execute access and CSWS > displays files in this directory fine. The file formats are all > stream_lf. I have no idea where to look next. > > Bill > > Ken Robinson wrote: > > mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote (in part): > > > > > > The AuthUserOpenVMS was another experiment to try another method. > > > > > > The problme is that CSWS never even tries to access these files. I > > can > > > browse to any file in the apache$root[htdocs] tree or the php tree > or > > > the user directories, but it never checks for a password. I put > > > security alarm ACL's on the .htaccess files and also on the > > > passwords.dat file but the files never get touched. > > > > I just tried using the AuthOpenVMSUser method. I put the following > > lines in the file ".htaccess" that resides in the directory I want to > > protect. > > > > AuthType Basic > > AuthName "OpenVMS authentication" > > AuthOpenVMSUser On > > require valid-user > > > > When I tried to access a web page there, I got the Please enter > > Username box. > > > > See section 4.4 of the Installation guide > > > > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 2005 06:49:29 -0600 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: boot manager by ASM Message-ID: In article <1107298888.939338.56380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "HAssAN.Maleki@gmail.com" writes: > just wanna know which steps should I proceed 2 boot a system w/ multy > OSes installed on. > Actually wanna write a multy booter by ASM. > Any body have any inf 'bout it or know any resource?! > TNX so much & byE. > Wrong newsgroup. This is a newsgroup for discussing the VMS operating system which was created by DEC. The newsgroup you want is alt.os.development, but read the newsgroup archives at Google first as your question has been answered many times. HTH, Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 2005 06:08:57 -0800 From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) Subject: How active colors in KEA emulator ? Message-ID: I'm using KEA emulator to access VMS systems. How could I create a command procedure to read this file: vms> type file1.txt Aba_proc 0 02/01/05 Ads_proc 1 02/01/05 Abd_proc 15 02/02/05 Abs_proc 3 02/02/05 Abf_proc 0 02/01/05 and show me the output with numbers in second column > 0 in red color ? Thanks VMS gurus. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:10:17 -0800 From: Z Subject: HP parody site Message-ID: http://www.everythingispossible.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:53:54 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP parody site Message-ID: <1107333752.c310f17c2c4ceadb82f1ecec60905201@teranews> Z wrote: > > http://www.everythingispossible.com/ As expected, no mention of VMS. Proof that HP doesn't see a future in VMS. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 05:01:58 -0500 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: HP parody site Message-ID: Z wrote: > http://www.everythingispossible.com/ Outstanding in its field. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:03:47 -0500 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." Subject: Re: HP parody site Message-ID: "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:1107333752.c310f17c2c4ceadb82f1ecec60905201@teranews... >Z wrote: >> >> http://www.everythingispossible.com/ > > > As expected, no mention of VMS. Proof that HP doesn't see a future in VMS. > > :-) It's also proof that PH doesn't see a future in VMS ... um ... SMV. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:17:29 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: HP parody site Message-ID: John Gemignani, Jr. wrote: > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:1107333752.c310f17c2c4ceadb82f1ecec60905201@teranews... >> Z wrote: >>> >>> http://www.everythingispossible.com/ >> >> >> As expected, no mention of VMS. Proof that HP doesn't see a future >> in VMS. >> >> :-) > > It's also proof that PH doesn't see a future in VMS ... um ... SMV. Actually not. It's a parody so only the author of the site is not mentioning VMS.....wait a minute...that's *exactly* what HP does. From that I'd have to guess that the author of the site is carly(tm) writing under a pseudonym. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:08:25 -0500 From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" Subject: Loads of DS10L 466 in stock for $250 Message-ID: <8W4Md.23028$t67.11956@bignews5.bellsouth.net> We still have loads in stock in the US and UK Shipping within the USA is $35 Shipping within EU is $60 What you get: Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz EV6 with 2MB Cache Dual 10/100 Ethernet On Board Dual IDE Controller and Floppy controller on board USB (obviously not much use) Dual Serial Ports (one as console) Parallel Port Multivoltage power supply (100~250V 50/60Hz Worldwide power) 1 PCI Slot 64 Bit- Standard Keyboard PS/2 Connector Standard Mouse PS/2 Connector 2 Useable Memory Slots (actually has 4 slots but they are unusable due to horzontal installation of memory) No Memory or disk is included There are no built in graphics on this system Add 256MB memory for only $99 (Compaq original) Add 512MB Memory for only $179 (Island Branded) Add 1GB Memory foro only $389 (Island Branded) Add a Single Rackmount Kit for only $40 Add a Quad Rackmount Kit for only $55 Add an UW SCSI Controller VMS Compatible for only $50 OR Add a Permedia 2 Graphics Card (same as ELSA GLoria) for only $129 Add a Permedia 2 Graphics Combo U2 SCSI Card for $899 Licenses: OpenVMS Base NEW for DS10L $525 OpenVMS Base and EIP for only $1399 (special only with these systems) Tru64 Unix Base License for $299 -- ________________________________________________ David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404 Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Mobile: 912 447 6622 X251 Fax: 912 201 0402 Email: dbturner@icusc.com Web: http://www.islandco.com ________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:26:34 -0500 From: Jilly Subject: Re: Moving from Alpha to Integrity Webcast Message-ID: <1107354326.8df9c382d802d10bdace9184b68260ed@teranews> I have not been able to get it to work on CSWB V1.4. It does work on Mozilla V1.4 on Mandrake Linux V9.1. warren sander wrote: > https://www.hpe-learning.com/requirements/default.aspx?tab=1 > > [IF this doesn't open then let me know but it's certified for > windows, linux, hp-ux, mac > > I don't know if anyone has tried OpenVMS Mozilla or not.] > > I would check but I don't have a meeting with virtual classroom until > after the 16th webinar date. > > -warren > > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:1107208938.e4ab198d3b2869d666dd94af01f19e41@teranews... >> John Smith wrote: >> > Delivery: This session will be delivered via the web using the HP > Virtual >> > Classroom together with audio teleconferencing via the phone. >> >> What software is needed for this ? -- Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley, Waverly, NY - jilly@stny.rr.com http://home.stny.rr.com/jilly - mark.jilson@hp.com http://www.hp.com/go/openvms - http://www.jilsonracing.com Go Fast, Turn Left - http://www.chemungspeedrome.com Door Handle to Door Handle ------------------------------ Date: 2 FEB 2005 10:39:53 GMT From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: MySQL problem Message-ID: <2FEB05.10395348@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu> In a previous article, "Craig A. Berry" wrote: ->Been there, done that, fixed it, submitted the patch. At least I'm ->pretty sure from the symptoms described that the problem is test.DIR ->doesn't match in a case sensitive comparison with test.dir. See -> ->http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=920330&group_id= ->2506&atid=302506 -> ->Clearly no one is monitoring patches to GNV. But I think you (SMS) ->already have a better version of this queued for the next Info-Zip ->release? Thanks for that tip! I hadn't thought to specify the .dir file to my "older" pre-GNV version of zip I'd been using for years. While the "version 2.3" of zip supplied with GNV 1.6-2 doesn't work regardless of case, the "older" non-GNV "version 2.3" with the VMSCLI option I had does: $ sho sym/glo zip ZIP == "$SITE$ROOT:[SYSEXE]ZIP_CLI" $ zip -r test test.dir updating: [.TEST.SUB]TEST^_FILE^_THREE.TXT (stored 0%) updating: [.TEST]TEST^_FILE^_ONE.TXT (stored 0%) updating: [.TEST]TEST^_FILE^_TWO.TXT (stored 0%) updating: [.TEST.SUB] (stored 0%) updating: [.TEST.ODS5^_DIRECTORY]TEST^_FILE^_FOUR.TXT (stored 0%) updating: [.TEST.ODS5^_DIRECTORY] (stored 0%) adding: [.TEST] (stored 0%) Also works: $ zip -r test "test.dir" $ zip -r test "TEST.DIR" $ zip -v Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP Type 'zip "-L"' for software license. This is Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999), by Info-ZIP. Currently maintained by Onno van der Linden. Please send bug reports to the authors at Zip-Bugs@lists.wku.edu; see README for details. Latest sources and executables are at ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip, as of above date; see http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/Zip.html for other sites. Compiled with DEC C V5.7-004 for OpenVMS (V7.2 for Alpha) on Jul 25 2002. Zip special compilation options: USE_EF_UT_TIME VMSCLI VMS_PK_EXTRA [encryption, version 2.9 of 22 April 2000] Zip environment options: ZIP_OPTS: [none] ZIPOPT: [none] $ bash bash$ zip -v Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP Type 'zip "-L"' for software license. This is Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999), by Info-ZIP. Currently maintained by Onno van der Linden. Please send bug reports to the authors at Zip-Bugs@lists.wku.edu; see README for details. Latest sources and executables are at ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip, as of above date; see http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/Zip.html for other sites. Compiled with DEC C T6.5-001 for OpenVMS (V7.3 for Alpha) on Jun 8 2004. Zip special compilation options: USE_EF_UT_TIME VMS_PK_EXTRA Zip environment options: ZIP_OPTS: [none] ZIPOPT: [none] -- -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison -- karcher.nomoresp0m@waisman.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 2005 06:15:53 -0800 From: carfer@gmail.com (Carlos Fernandez) Subject: need upgrade Hp Basic Message-ID: Hi all, I'm testing some programs written in Vax Basic in Alpha Basic 1.3 and noticed the lack of support of HFLOAT data type. I've alse noticed that XFLOAT, in Alpha, provides the same range as HFLOAT have on Vax. I've seen as well, that no support for XFLOAT is in version 1.3 but in 1.4 or higher. As I have a hobbyist license for the Alpha, the question is if it's legal to copy the updated version from anyone else? If so, anyone would be so kind to send me the kit, alas the savesets, by email? I think to remember it was no so big. Thanks in advanced. Carlos Fernandez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:30:29 -0800 From: DeanW Subject: Re: Official Logo Message-ID: <3f119ada05020123307d1ed8d5@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 04:03:09 GMT, Kenneth Farmer wrote: > > I posted the list Keith you made and I've pulled up some of the images. I > didn't post any I thought might be copyrighted. > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Logos > > Anyone is welcome to contribute images. Somehow, Ivanhoe's uprooted Oak seems appropriate. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:29:33 -0500 From: Jilly Subject: Re: Official Logo Message-ID: <1107354505.791ee7248f39504b35234911d8c27a31@teranews> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <1107293480.46e7d902c4aaaff206988d4afd092b25@teranews>, JF > Mezei writes: >> re: various links to shark images >> >> There is that perfect example of VMS use in military applications: >> >> http://www.vaxination.ca/badday.jpg > > I recall when our Field Service guys who took care of our 36 bit > machines were telling us about getting "vaxinated". Yep, I was one of those that got 'vaxinated' after Jupiter was canceled. -- Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley, Waverly, NY - jilly@stny.rr.com http://home.stny.rr.com/jilly - mark.jilson@hp.com http://www.hp.com/go/openvms - http://www.jilsonracing.com Go Fast, Turn Left - http://www.chemungspeedrome.com Door Handle to Door Handle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:10:27 GMT From: "Kenneth Farmer" Subject: Re: Official Logo Message-ID: "DeanW" wrote in message news:3f119ada05020123307d1ed8d5@mail.gmail.com... > On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 04:03:09 GMT, Kenneth Farmer > wrote: >> >> I posted the list Keith you made and I've pulled up some of the images. >> I >> didn't post any I thought might be copyrighted. >> >> http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Logos >> >> Anyone is welcome to contribute images. > > Somehow, Ivanhoe's uprooted Oak seems appropriate. ;-) I just noticed: "the list Keith you made" Anyway... > Somehow, Ivanhoe's uprooted Oak seems appropriate OK I never read Ivanhoe. What does this mean? Ken OpenVMS.org _____________________________________ Kenneth R. Farmer <>< SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:35:40 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: OpenVMS Marketing budget being effectively spent at last Message-ID: <8NWdnV3ChsqBVJ3fRVn-rA@igs.net> http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/hotgossip3 Keanu Nixes Sundance Swag If the Sundance Film Festival has taught us anything, it's that the best things in life really are free. Yes, the annual melding of Hollywood greed and corporate shilling (with a few films screened in between) was crammed with enough swag to make Star Jones swoon. But as the likes of Pam Anderson, Paris Hilton, and Shannen Doherty snatched up thousands of dollars worth of brand-name merchandise, at least one star remained above the freebie fray. Keanu Reeves, in town to stump for the oral-fixation flick "Thumbsucker," opted not to pocket any of the proffered loot. The New York Post reports the preternaturally preserved "Matrix" star dropped by the headquarters of Sundance sponsor Hewlett-Packard but politely declined the gratis iPods, digital cameras, and photo printers. ...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:03:04 +1100 From: Paddy O'Brien Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: <42008938.2050607@transgrid.com.au> Brian VAXman- wrote: > In article <41FF37D4.9080904@transgrid.com.au>, Paddy O'Brien writes: > >>A few snips. >> >>Keith Cayemberg wrote: >> >>>Just curious, is/was VMS being used in this power station? >>> >> >>Keith, >> >>In my days (up to 1982), CEGB was an IBM/Amdahl shop -- 360/370. A few >>other OS's for minor applications, but I cannot remember the details. I >>cannot remember any DEC machines. >> >>Way back, I was one of the first to install remote access to our >>technical programs from our computing centre -- Park Street next to >>Bankside PS. And the journey Vaxman did was my frequent pickup of >>output. Our building was adjacewnt to St Pauls, until we eventually had >>a remote printer, I had to make that journey for output. What fun we >>had in the 1960's :-) > > > Surely that trek didn't take you across the Millenium foot bridge at > that time. > Yes, you are right. I am suffering from Altzhiemers or something. I did not even go by Tower Bridge. I am just remembering 20+ years ago and just a few memories of the old power stations. At 60 years old, I am just doing this little memory thing. Regards, Paddy *********************************************************************** "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise the sender. 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Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au" *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:10:11 +1100 From: Paddy O'Brien Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: <42008AE3.6010009@transgrid.com.au> John Laird wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:29 +1100, Paddy O'Brien > wrote: > > >>Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve >>Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego. Some excellent >>shots of the site (between the fights). >> >>Is the station still going? I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 when >>Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years. The A station was >>already shut down. > > > It closed down not long after you left. Grand plans have come and gone, but > it looks like the latest may be about to fly(*). Some history at the > ever-useful Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Power_Station > and the link at the bottom takes you to a Flash site. > > (*) A bit like Pink Floyd's inflatable pig, maybe ;-) > > I've worked for the CEGB too, but only as a student. Happy days. > John, Not able to write to your address ... Where did you work, with whom, are/were you an electrical engineer? Regards, Paddy *********************************************************************** "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise the sender. You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited. If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid immediately. Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual sender except where the sender expressly and with authority states them to be the views of TransGrid. TransGrid uses virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment. Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au" *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:24:53 +1100 From: Paddy O'Brien Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: <42008E55.10607@transgrid.com.au> John Laird wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > >>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London. I'm off to >>London again in March. This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park >>for some better close-up... Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. > > > A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile. Can't vouch for > the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-) > John (and Brian -- and others interested), Many years ago, at Park Street, a tent was raised wherein they did Shakespeare in its many aspects. They had Twelfth Night done as a 1920 "Black Bottom" and gangster. Vanessa Redgrave as Cleopatra, and one I did not enjoy was Ionesco's "Macbeth ?" with Harry H Corbett and Terry Scott. So many other fantastic actors -- Donald Pleasance and Keith Michell, Ian McKellam, Ron Moody as Polonious, just to name a few. Regards, Paddy *********************************************************************** "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise the sender. You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited. If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid immediately. Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual sender except where the sender expressly and with authority states them to be the views of TransGrid. TransGrid uses virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment. Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au" *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:48:55 +0000 From: Roy Omond Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: <36bm4fF50rgkrU1@individual.net> Paddy O'Brien wrote: > VAXman- wrote: > [...snip...] >> >> Surely that trek didn't take you across the Millenium foot bridge at >> that time. > > Yes, you are right. I am suffering from Altzhiemers or something. Bummer! And there was me imagining that Paddy "Norfolk Lad" could actually Walk on Water :-) Ah well, another myth gone down the drain. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:06:30 +0000 From: John Laird Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:10:11 +1100, Paddy O'Brien wrote: >John Laird wrote: >> >> I've worked for the CEGB too, but only as a student. Happy days. >> >John, > >Not able to write to your address ... > >Where did you work, with whom, are/were you an electrical engineer? Shouldn't be anything wrong with my email address (the nospam@ is a misnomer) but every now and again I think something objects (wrongly) to the hyphen, which is quite valid. You can try my work address which is john at yrl dot co dot uk. I worked two summers at the Marchwood research labs in the late 70s. My first introduction to "proper" computing, including naturally, Adventure - on a GEC 4080 ;-) Running simulations, adapting software, etc. I had one boss who managed to set fire to his wastepaper basket just behind him, and by the time that had triggered a smoke alarm, caused building evacuation , and two volunteers went back in to investigate, he was still sat at his desk merrily smoking his pipe and ignoring the alarm... Park St used to send down a couple of trees worth of line printer output every day, iirc. Pay in the first summer was about £45/week which wasn't at all bad. The following year I phoned up to see if I should apply again and they said that wasn't necessary and a job was mine if I wanted it. On day one, I had to drop into personnel to get a pass and it was casually mentioned that after a bit of thought they had upped the pay - to £69/week ! Through the summer I managed to earn about half of what my annual student grant amounted to, which in those days was enough to live on. And after all that, one of my supervisors wrote me a reference which my first full-time employers told me had clinched my first job. As I said, happy days. -- A man without a woman is like a neck without pain. Mail john rather than nospam... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:04:40 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: <00A3EC7D.EDD0D163@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <42008938.2050607@transgrid.com.au>, Paddy O'Brien writes: {...snip...} >> Surely that trek didn't take you across the Millenium foot bridge at >> that time. >> >Yes, you are right. I am suffering from Altzhiemers or something. > >I did not even go by Tower Bridge. I am just remembering 20+ years ago >and just a few memories of the old power stations. I was picturing you taking a deep breath and actually walking across. :) >At 60 years old, I am just doing this little memory thing. Don't sweat it... My memories of London are probably pretty good because I have been there 5 times since spring of 2002. When is the last time you where there? -- http://www.ProvN.com for the *best* OpenVMS system security solutions that others only claim to be. -- Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.: The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:00:17 +0000 (UTC) From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: Hi, I don't think that anyone else has mentioned it so for the record, Battersea Park power station reached the pinnacle of photo opportunities when it starred in MacGyver as a back-drop to the war in Yugoslavia. Disbelief! (No, I'm not a MacGyver, fan we just get a lot of wet weekends here and they were re-running it a couple of years ago) I believe it is currently being used as a lightshow backdrop fot the London 2012 Olympic bid logo. (Now there's a real joke. But I digress.) Regards Richard Maher PS. Why has one of the chimneys been given some sort of navy blue flame/crown at its base? "Paddy O'Brien" wrote in message news:41FDF2F9.2010605@transgrid.com.au... > > > Dr. Dweeb wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Sometime ago someone responding on this newsgroup had a pointer to their > > photography site - name and site lost in the mists. Anyway, there was a > > great picture (b/w) of the Battersea Power Station. > > > > If you spot this you might leave me the address. I am perhaps interested in > > acquiring a print (a large one). > > > > Thanks > > Dr. Dweeb > > > I've just got back from 5 weeks leave. Sortta confused between US and > UK -- is 01/02 second of Jan or first of Feb (which hasn't quite > happened yet :-) > > Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve > Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego. Some excellent > shots of the site (between the fights). > > Is the station still going? I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 when > Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years. The A station was > already shut down. > > Regards, Paddy > > > > *********************************************************************** > > "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the > addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of > this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise > the sender. You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited. > > If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid > immediately. Any views expressed in this email are those of the > individual sender except where the sender expressly and with > authority states them to be the views of TransGrid. TransGrid uses > virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses > contained in any attachment. > > Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now > firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au" > > *********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:24:01 -0000 From: "issinoho" Subject: php.ini options in MOD_PHP Message-ID: <1101ai2ndqnesc8@corp.supernews.com> MOD_PHP ships with a *very* limited php.ini file which only contains commented out extensions. Now I've had a go at adding some other options to this file and they _do_ seem to have an effect. Can anyone say which php options are actually supported by MOD_PHP; is it all of them? If so why does it not ship with a fuller php.ini file to allow easier customisation. If there are a more limited set of options, is this documented anywhere. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 2005 22:52:01 -0800 From: dmakadia@gmail.com Subject: ssh in VMS Message-ID: <1107327121.210905.113910@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I would like to use SSH in VMS can any one help me with this???? I would like to use SSH from VMS worksation to VMS server and Window workstation to VMS server. I am new to VMS so for VMS Guru's this might be a fullish question. Please help me.... Thanks ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 2005 08:38:09 +0100 From: huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) Subject: Re: ssh in VMS Message-ID: In article <1107327121.210905.113910@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, dmakadia@gmail.com writes: > I would like to use SSH in VMS can any one help me with this???? I > would like to use SSH from VMS worksation to VMS server and Window > workstation to VMS server. I am new to VMS so for VMS Guru's this might > be a fullish question. Please help me.... Thanks It depends on the TCPIP stack You are using: Integrated with the process.com stacks (Multinet,tcpware). process.com also has a SSH product for (DEC-COMPAQ-)HP TCPIP. Then for TCPIP services 5.3 there is an early adapters kit SSH (with limited functionality, but usable at least for ssh login). In TCPIP 5.4 SSH is integrated. And for older VMS/TCPIP/UCX versions there is David Jones (OSU) implementation of an SSH server (look into freeware archives), and the FISH SSH client, also in the freeware suite. -- Joseph Huber, Muenchen http://www.huber-joseph.de/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:27:33 -0500 From: "John S." Subject: Re: ssh in VMS Message-ID: wrote in message news:1107327121.210905.113910@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >I would like to use SSH in VMS can any one help me with this???? I > would like to use SSH from VMS worksation to VMS server and Window > workstation to VMS server. I am new to VMS so for VMS Guru's this might > be a fullish question. Please help me.... Thanks > A list SSH clients can be found at http://www.process.com/sshclients/index.html There are more clients than what's listed there but it's a very good starting point. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:39:05 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: Suggestion for VAX VMS 8.2 Message-ID: <4200c9e9$0$804$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Wilm Boerhout wrote: > >>I have seen a few hints of this allegedly new version of VAX VMS, but >>cannot seem to find an "official" statement from HP. Can you provide a >>pointer? I'm anxious to find out the new features... > > > In the roadmap NOTES, there is mention that HP is currently evaluating > whether or not to produce VMS 8.2 for VAX. > > No mention of features. But one would assume that such a version would > be built as way to give VAX-VMS compatibility with VAX-whatever for the > longest possible time. Hence my suggestion that the engineers should > look ahead and give VAX-VMS lots of flexibility in terms of > interoperating with VMS in the future. I think SRI and all those CHARON-VAX Resellers out there should now be mobilizing their customers and talking directly to HP about the importance of having at a long-supported OpenVMS V8.2 base level (and continuing new releases) for the VAX as an important market enhancer and as a comfortable bridge(s) to the Itanium (or other future OpenVMS platforms). Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:04:06 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... Message-ID: <0c6dneZKf-hLQJ3fRVn-uw@igs.net> just how many billions were spent on developing Itanic - a chip which will most likely sell fewer cpu's before it is cancelled than Alpha did. The quoted $150MM per annum cost of Alpha development efforts in 2001 is a drop in the bucket by comparison and would have yielded better results, both from a performance and market penetration perspective. Of course, if every consumer rushed out to buy an Itanic server to store their recipies on....... http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119373,00.asp ....Not only has Microsoft announced its plans to release its first 64-bit operating system for *mainstream* desktops, Windows XP Professional X64 Edition, by the middle of this year, but also the company has delivered its initial Release Candidate (RC1) of the operating system. Microsoft has produced 64-bit OSs before, most recently Windows XP 64-Bit Edition for high-end workstations powered by Intel's Itanium CPU, but XP X64 is the first Windows OS designed for PCs based on 64-bit CPUs that can also run today's 32-bit apps--most notably AMD's 64-bit Athlons, which have been on the market since 2003. ..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:21:34 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:04:06 -0500, John Smith wrote: > just how many billions were spent on developing Itanic - a chip which > will > most likely sell fewer cpu's before it is cancelled than Alpha did. > > The quoted $150MM per annum cost of Alpha development efforts in 2001 is > a > drop in the bucket by comparison and would have yielded better results, > both > from a performance and market penetration perspective. > > > Of course, if every consumer rushed out to buy an Itanic server to store > their recipies on....... > > I'd be curious to see a breakdown of the $3b Jenkins said in his interview was being committed to Itanium over the next three years. > > http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119373,00.asp > > ....Not only has Microsoft announced its plans to release its first > 64-bit > operating system for *mainstream* desktops, Windows XP Professional X64 > Edition, by the middle of this year, but also the company has delivered > its > initial Release Candidate (RC1) of the operating system. > Microsoft has produced 64-bit OSs before, most recently Windows XP 64-Bit > Edition for high-end workstations powered by Intel's Itanium CPU, but XP > X64 > is the first Windows OS designed for PCs based on 64-bit CPUs that can > also > run today's 32-bit apps--most notably AMD's 64-bit Athlons, which have > been > on the market since 2003. ..... > > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:17:19 -0800 From: David Mathog Subject: Re: There goes the volume market. Remind me again.... Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:04:06 -0500, John Smith wrote: > >> >> Of course, if every consumer rushed out to buy an Itanic server to store >> their recipies on....... >> >> > I'd be curious to see a breakdown of the $3b Jenkins said in his interview > was being committed to Itanium over the next three years. > >> HP's strategy is so pathetically bad it's amazing that any of the people involved are still allowed to work. (Let alone permitted to run major companies, as Carly and Curly are.) HP got in bed with Intel on Itanium, spent ungodly sums on developing it, scuttled all of their other processors in its favor BEFORE it was available to replace them (PA-RISC, Alpha as a prelude to the takeover) and now finds that, lo and behold, HP is effectively the only company that will use the chip. Itanium has an unmeasurably small market share, and costs every bit as much, if not more, than the processors it replaced (sic). Along the way they crippled the VMS market, destroyed the Tru64 market (how many of those folks moved to HPUX, 1% maybe???), hobbled Tandem, and did who knows what damage to HPUX and MPE. Their PC business was a big loser, so naturally they bought the other big loser (Compaq) and effectively paid for it by giving partial ownership in the ink/printer business to the former Compaq shareholders. In other words, HP shareholders were completely screwed, going from 100% ownership of the only functional part of HP to 66% (or whatever it turned out to be.) In return they ended up owning shares in a PC company that somehow wasn't the sum of its pieces and still doesn't make any real money. (As an aside, I also resent that now the local computer megastores sell Compaq and HP machines as if they were somehow different from each other - faux competition is not good for a market.) HP also got SAP'd. Showing not only that they can't manage themselves but that any potential client should think very long and very hard before letting HP touch related aspects of their own business. ROI for all of this? Technology and Engineering talent squandered. Grrr. Don't get me started. On the plus side they now sell ipods. One suspects that Apple makes more on each HP ipod sold than does HP. Have they learned _nothing_ from the PC market??? All in all IBM, Dell and even Sun could hardly have dreamed of a less worthy competitor. Carly's new version of the "HP Way" is a synonym for "Don't do it this way." Regards, David Mathog sideways: ude dot hceltac at gohtam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:39:38 GMT From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3 Message-ID: Somebody wrote: >...it seems that if A ~ B & B ~C -> A ~C ? Nope. There are certain logical and mathmatical realationships for which this is true -- equality is the most obvious -- but it does NOT hold when the relationship is "can be clustered with". Here is an example the will illustrate how this implication may not work: John loves Mary and Mary loves Bill. Does this imply that John loves Bill? Well, he may, but don't bet on it in general! -- Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:32:52 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3 Message-ID: <1107368501.2cf27fdad857b96f52402ddbbccb3a77@teranews> Charlie Hammond wrote: > Here is an example the will illustrate how this implication may not work: > > John loves Mary and Mary loves Bill. > Does this imply that John loves Bill? It does imply that Bill will get John's diseases though (due to MSCP ensuring that they are transfered between nodes in this 3 node cluster). But this still doesn't explain what has changed in the SCS protocol to cause 5.5-2 not to interact with 7.2. Someone mentioned the volume shadowing code. Fine. But if you don't use volume shadowing, would changes to it affect your ability to cluster ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:59:16 +0100 From: JOUKJ Subject: Re: VMS CVS client with ssh Message-ID: <4200DCB4.1020500@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> John Gemignani, Jr. wrote: > "David Jones" wrote in message > news:uCfKd.32097$K72.4106876@twister.southeast.rr.com... > >>Anyone have a CVS client in use on VMS 7.3-2 that is using ssh? >>I have cvs 1.11 and have it almost working but I only get a "bad file >>number" error on attempts to check out. >> >>Thanks - DMJ >> > > > I have one but it requires a special SSH image that I had to put together > before severing my ties with TCP/IP. > > You define a symbol/logical to get the special SSH image, and all CVS > features appear to work. > > Contact me if you want the images. > Does this ssh image work for a recent version of HP-TCP/IP services on AXP? If yes, than I'm very interersted in this special ssh Jouk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:07:54 +0100 From: JOUKJ Subject: Re: VMS CVS client with ssh Message-ID: <4200DEBA.9020106@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> John Gemignani, Jr. wrote: > "David Jones" wrote in message > news:uCfKd.32097$K72.4106876@twister.southeast.rr.com... > >>Anyone have a CVS client in use on VMS 7.3-2 that is using ssh? >>I have cvs 1.11 and have it almost working but I only get a "bad file >>number" error on attempts to check out. >> >>Thanks - DMJ >> > > > I have one but it requires a special SSH image that I had to put together > before severing my ties with TCP/IP. > > You define a symbol/logical to get the special SSH image, and all CVS > features appear to work. > > Contact me if you want the images. > Does this ssh image work for a recent version of HP-TCP/IP services on AXP? If yes, than I'm very interersted in this special ssh Jouk ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.066 ************************