INFO-VAX Mon, 31 Jan 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 62 Contents: Re: DCL script for a dummy like me ... Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL? Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL? Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary fwd: Rdb 7.2 Beta Kit Now Available for Itanium and Alpha Re: How to get a free iPod? Re: INPSMB errors Is 7.3.2 latest Alpha version? Re: Is 7.3.2 latest Alpha version? Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! 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Message-ID: <48Rb+04XzC97@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <41FC5C1E.8040803@tsoft-inc.com>, Dave Froble writes: > JF Mezei wrote: > >> Z wrote: >> >>>Michael Austin wrote: >>> >>>>$ write sys$output f$file("login.com","file_length_hint") >>>>(85,3172) !<<<<------ first number is number of records, second is the >>>>byte count >>>> >>>What a useful tidbit of information. >>> >> >> Doesn't the file_hint only apply to certain types of files on ODS-5 >> volumes ? Are there specific values returned when the systen cannot >> profile those values ? >> > > Well, just get onto a VMS process, and type HELP. > > All kinds of useful information. > > Ok Mike, what part of your life suffers such that you have time to sit and read > all of VMS HELP? :-) Except HELP LEXIC F$FILE ARG doesn't mention any specifics for which files the file_length_hint arg returns valid numbers. It mentions that an invalidated count will return -1, but not why it thought the count invalid. I don't mind RTFMing, or in this case RTFHing, but sometimes HELP doesn't help. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:46:58 GMT From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) Subject: Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL? Message-ID: > >> SYS$COMMON, which is not what I want. I want the procedure to be able to >> tell the difference between the user typing >> @SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MYDCL >> and >> @SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]MYDCL F$ENVIRONMENT ("PROCEDURE") will return the full location where the command procedure resides. I think if you retrieve this value and parse it, it should give you what you're looking for. I often put $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$ENVIRONMENT ("PROCEDURE") at the beginning of all of the command procedures in the entire SYS$STARTUP tree, so I get messages on the console during startup telling me what's going on. -- B. Z. Lederman Personal Opinions Only Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing list of any kind. Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 2005 10:39:54 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: equiv of LIB$GET_FOREIGN from DCL? Message-ID: In article , klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes: > I have a DCL procedure that needs to know where it was invoked from. It > currently uses F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE"), but there's a problem with > searchlists. For example, if the procedure was invoked by > @SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MYDCL > but it really lives in SYS$COMMON, F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE") will point to > SYS$COMMON, which is not what I want. I want the procedure to be able to > tell the difference between the user typing > @SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]MYDCL > and > @SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]MYDCL > > If this were a C or PL/I program I would use LIB$GET_FOREIGN to get the > command line and then parse it. Does anybody know of a way in DCL? Get a copy of ppf.mar The use it as follows: $! test.com $ ppf = "$sys$login:ppf.exe" $ ppf sys$input $ show sym phy_file_name $ show sym org_file_name $ show sym fid_file_name $ @test PHY_FILE_NAME = "EISNER$DRA3:[DECUSERVE_USER.BRIGGS]TEST.COM;5" ORG_FILE_NAME = "EISNER$DRA3:[DECUSERVE_USER.BRIGGS]TEST.COM;5" FID_FILE_NAME = "DISK$USER3:[DECUSERVE_USER.BRIGGS]TEST.COM;5" I'm not sure if a copy of ppf.mar is archived anywhere. I've included one below. It's non-privileged code and doesn't involve digging into any DCL data structures. The only tricky bit is: bisw2 #fab$m_ppf_ind,fab+fab$w_ifi which sets the bit to allow the $DISPLAY service to reach out and see the underlying file name rather than stopping at the PPF logical name. The code works on Alpha and on VAX without modification. John Briggs ----------------------------- code follows --------------------------------- ; PPF translate specified PPF logical name to file specification ; This is based on code posted on comp.os.vms by John Briggs ; on 19 Nov 1996, message-id <1996Nov19.110550@alpha.vitro.com> ; Modified by Jon Pinkley to accept a logical name so we can ; get the actual file name of a file opened by DCL. ; This also sets three local symbols, instead of only one. ; ; First delete local symbols PHY_FILE_NAME, ORG_FILE_NAME, ; and FID_FILE_NAME. These will be recreated when we can ; successfully determine them. ; ; PHY_FILE_NAME ; This is the unconcealed name of the file at the time ; it was opened. If it has been renamed, this will ; not be correct. ; ; PHY_FILE_NAME is set as follows: ; If it's a PPF, then do a $DISPLAY with nop= ; and save the resulting file name. ; If it is a record oriented device, (you can't trust ; fab$l_dev for this, you must ask $getdvi), instead ; of using the rsa returned by $display, use the ; nam$t_dvi value. ; (this is the name it had when it was opened.) ; if the device is a terminal, then save only the ; device name. Set FILE_NAME to the saved string. ; If it's not a PPF, exit with warning status CLI$_UNDFIL ; This is after all, meant to be used with PPF's ; ; ORG_FILE_NAME ; This is the concealed name of the file at the time ; it was opened. If it has been renamed, this will ; not be correct. ; ; ORG_FILE_NAME is set as follows: ; If it's a record oriented device ; set ORG_FILE_NAME to nam$l_dev ; otherwise ; do another $DISPLAY, this time displaying ; the concealed name, and set ; ORG_FILE_NAME to the concealed file name. ; ; FID_FILE_NAME is set as follows: ; If nam$l_fid is non zero ; determine the current file name by using lib$fid_to_name. ; Set FID_FILE_NAME to this value. Note that this file ; name will be correct if the file was renamed using the RENAME ; command (but not necessarily if the FID is entered ; multiple times). ; ; Usage: $ ppf :== $some_dir:ppf ; $ ppf [logical_name] ; ; if no logical is specified, then sys$output is assumed ; i.e. the following three are equivalent: ; $ ppf sys$output ; $ ppf ; $ run some_dir:ppf ! foreign command not necessary here ; ; The reason the this is the default is that it is very ; useful to allow a batch process to determine the exact ; filename and version of its log file. ; ; PPF can also be used to determine the version of file ; opened by DCL. Example follows: ; $ open/read foo sys$login:login.com ; $ ppf foo ; $ show symbol/local *_file_name ; FID_FILE_NAME = "DISK$USER1:[USERS.JON]LOGIN.COM;181" ; ORG_FILE_NAME = "ROOT$USERS:[JON]LOGIN.COM;181" ; PHY_FILE_NAME = "$4$DKA200:[USERS.][JON]LOGIN.COM;181" ; $ close/nolog foo ; ; example where file gets renamed while it is open ; ; $ open/write foo test.dat ; $ ppf foo ; $ sho sym /loc *_file_name ; FID_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1" ; ORG_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1" ; PHY_FILE_NAME = "$4$DKC204:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1" ; $ ren test.dat; jons.data;100 ; $ ppf foo ; $ sho sym /loc *_file_name ; FID_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]JONS.DATA;100" ; ORG_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1" ; PHY_FILE_NAME = "$4$DKC204:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1" ; $ close/nolog foo .psect data,quad,noexe $LNMDEF $FABDEF $NAMDEF $DEVDEF $DVIDEF $CLIMSGDEF .macro errchk, ?skip ; check for error blbs r0, skip ; on success skip this pushl r0 ; push offending status calls #1, g^lib$stop ; and kill this thing skip: .endm errchk ; and that's errchk! fab: $FAB nam=nam nam: $NAM rsa=buffer,- rss=buffer_size,- nop= itemlist: .word buffer_size .word lnm$_string .address buffer .address file_name_desc .long 0 .align quad buffer: .blkb 255 buffer_size=.-buffer .align quad buffer1: .blkb 255 buffer1_size=.-buffer1 .align quad buffer2: .blkb 16 buffer2_size=.-buffer2 .align quad recdev: .blkl 1 dvirec: .long DVI$_REC return_length: .blkw 1 sysout: .ascid /SYS$OUTPUT/ tabnam: .ascid /LNM$FILE_DEV/ phynam: .ascid /PHY_FILE_NAME/ ; name file was originally opened with orgnam: .ascid /ORG_FILE_NAME/ ; same as file_name, concealed fidnam: .ascid /FID_FILE_NAME/ ; name determined by lib$fid_to_name input: .long lnm$c_namlength ; make a descr for .address 2$ ; lib$get_foreign 2$: .blkb lnm$c_namlength ; the buffer itself file_name_desc: .blkw 1 .word 0 .address buffer fid_name_desc: .blkw 1 .word 0 .address buffer1 dvi_name_desc: .blkw 1 .word 0 .address buffer2 .psect code,exe .entry MAIN,^m<> ; Get logical file name of PPF pushal input ; set the length to the length returned pushl #0 ; noprompt pushal input ; write the rec'd data here calls #3, g^lib$get_foreign ; get a command errchk ; check for error cmpw input, #0 ; no input logical specified? bneq 5$ movc3 sysout,@sysout+4,@input+4 ; input = "SYS$OUTPUT" movw sysout,input 5$: ; Delete the symbols we are going to set (ignore errors) pushaq fidnam ; "FID_FILE_NAME" calls #1,g^lib$delete_symbol pushaq orgnam ; "ORG_FILE_NAME" calls #1,g^lib$delete_symbol pushaq phynam ; "PHY_FILE_NAME" calls #1,g^lib$delete_symbol ; Translate specified logical name in LNM$FILE_DEV pushal itemlist pushl #0 pushaq input pushaq tabnam pushl #0 calls #5,g^sys$trnlnm blbs r0,10$ brw 99$ ; error? bail ; Is it a PPF logical name? 10$: cmpw buffer,#^X001b ; Escape, null beql 11$ brw 101$ ; it's not a PPF, quit 11$: ; Use $DISPLAY to get PPF file name movw buffer+2,fab+fab$w_ifi bisw2 #fab$m_ppf_ind,fab+fab$w_ifi $display fab=fab ; first with non-concealed name errchk ; check for error ; Determine if device is a record oriented device ; Note that network devices like node"user pass"::sys$login:login.com ; will have nam$t_dvi set to a null string. In this case, just ; treat it like a non-record oriented device. We will handle ; the lack of a FID at a later time. ; copy the nam$t_dvi name into the dvi_name string movzbw nam+nam$t_dvi,dvi_name_desc bneq 12$ brw 20$ ; must be a decnet device name 12$: movc3 dvi_name_desc,nam+nam$t_dvi+1,@dvi_name_desc+4 pushal recdev ; boolean for record oriented device pushaq dvi_name_desc ; device name pushl #0 ; channel not specified pushal dvirec ; address containing DVI$_REC calls #4,g^lib$getdvi errchk tstl recdev ; if record oriented device beql 20$ ; then skip the following ; here we have a record oriented device. Directory and ; file names really don't make a lot of sense. ; set PHY_FILE_NAME to nam$t_dvi and ; ORG_FILE_NAME to nam$l_dev ; leave FID_FILE_NAME undefined pushaq dvi_name_desc pushaq phynam calls #2,g^lib$set_symbol errchk ; copy the nam$l_dev name into the file_name string movzbw nam+nam$b_dev,file_name_desc movc3 file_name_desc,@nam+nam$l_dev,@file_name_desc+4 pushaq file_name_desc pushaq orgnam calls #2,g^lib$set_symbol errchk brw 99$ ; Stuff file name length into descriptor 20$: movzbw nam+nam$b_rsl,file_name_desc ; The file name is all set up in file_name_desc ; Stuff it into the DCL symbol 'PHY_FILE_NAME' 30$: pushaq file_name_desc pushaq phynam calls #2,g^lib$set_symbol errchk ; Use $DISPLAY to get PPF file name concealed bicb2 #, nam+nam$b_nop $display fab=fab blbs r0,40$ ret ; If it fails, exit ; Stuff file name length into descriptor 40$: movzbw nam+nam$b_rsl,file_name_desc ; The file name is all set up in file_name_desc ; Stuff it into the DCL symbol 'ORG_FILE_NAME' pushaq file_name_desc pushaq orgnam calls #2,g^lib$set_symbol errchk ; Now grab the FID from the NAM block and convert ; it to a filename using LIB$FID_TO_NAME, then ; stuff it into the DCL symbol 'FID_FILE_NAME' ; we're going to use buffer1, set the length in ; the descriptor to buffer_size movab buffer1,fid_name_desc+4 ; make sure we have it movzbw #buffer1_size, fid_name_desc ; we are going to reuse the descriptor for the ; nam$t_dvi counted string movzbw nam+nam$t_dvi, file_name_desc beql 99$ ; no FID, bail out movab nam+nam$t_dvi+1, file_name_desc+4 pushaw return_length pushaq fid_name_desc pushaw nam+nam$w_fid pushaq file_name_desc calls #4,g^lib$fid_to_name errchk ; Stuff file name length into descriptor 60$: movzbw return_length,fid_name_desc ; The file name is all set up in file_name_desc ; Stuff it into the DCL symbol 'FID_FILE_NAME' 70$: pushaq fid_name_desc pushaq fidnam calls #2,g^lib$set_symbol 99$: ret 101$: movl #CLI$_UNDFIL,r0 brb 99$ .end main ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 2005 07:43:13 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary Message-ID: In article , Bill Todd writes: > Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the > failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary. [...] > "HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're trying to > exit from the operating system business all together." Saying HP has too many operating systems is like saying Goodyear has too many tires. It's just an old line trotted out by writers who have no original ideas of their own. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:07:56 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > In article , Bill > Todd writes: > >> Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the >> failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary. > [...] >> "HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're >> trying to exit from the operating system business all together." > > Saying HP has too many operating systems is like saying Goodyear > has too many tires. True. But Goodyear advertises and markets their tires. I keep seeing HP television ads for Xeon blade servers - none for Itanics, and certainly none for VMS. Ferrari manages to advertise both Ferrari and Maserati cars (now that they own Maserati). While one might be tempted to say that at those price points buyers are all the same, that's not any more true than thinking that blade servers running Windows suit all corporations. But that, apparently, is the depth of thinking at HP. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:16:43 -0500 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: Fortune article and subsequent commentary Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > In article , Bill Todd writes: > > >>Top billing at OpenVMS.org today has been a Fortune article on the >>failure of the HP/Compaq merger and follow-up industry commentary. > > [...] > >>"HP's weakness is in having so many operating systems. They're trying to >>exit from the operating system business all together." > > > Saying HP has too many operating systems is like saying Goodyear > has too many tires. Duh. It was the sentence *following* that one which seemed particularly interesting - especially when delivered by someone who maintains a close professional relationship with HP in such areas. As contrasted, say, with idle speculation such as your own. Not that being uninformed seems to slow you down much, but hey - this is Usenet. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:22:50 -0700 From: Norman Lastovica Subject: fwd: Rdb 7.2 Beta Kit Now Available for Itanium and Alpha Message-ID: <41FE5B5A.1AE65D44@oracle.com> Oracle is pleased to announce the availability of Oracle Rdb Release 7.2 field test. The field test of Oracle Rdb 7.2 is available to run on OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 for HP Integrity Servers and for OpenVMS for AlphaServer systems. To join the Beta program, you can register online at the Rdb Beta Test Page (follow the "Rdb Beta Programs" link at http://www.oracle.com/rdb). Once your registration application has been submitted, our Beta Program Administrator will review it for approval. When you log back in to the site after being approved, you will see a page welcoming you to the program and links for the documentation and software download. This field test software allows Oracle Rdb-based applications to be ported to OpenVMS for ItaniumŪ architecture-based HP Integrity servers. Most Rdb-based applications that run today on AlphaServer systems need only to be recompiled, relinked and tested in order to run on Integrity servers. The full suite of the Rdb database engine functionality is available for this 7.2 field test on both the AlphaServer and Integrity server platforms. This functionality includes: - Rdb, RDO and RDML precompiler and interactive interfaces - SQL precompiler and interactive interfaces - Local and global buffering and row caches - Data protection via before-image and after-image journaling - 2-phase transaction and multi-database support - Remote database access via TCP/IP and DECnet - Oracle Rdb Hot Standby - Oracle Rdb LogMiner - Built-in remote database access capabilities over DECnet or TCP/IP - RMU backup, restore, recover, verify, show statistics, load, unload, etc. The Oracle Rdb field test release 7.2 requires a minimum of OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 and a minimum of OpenVMS for Integrity Servers V8.2. Oracle expects to release Oracle Rdb Release 7.2 for production use in the second half of calendar year 2005. Ginger Vollmar Rdb Beta Programs Administrator - - - - - opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone and certainly are not intended in any way to express or represent any opinions or commitment of oracle corporation. norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:47:55 +0000 (UTC) From: usenet69@hotmail.com Subject: Re: How to get a free iPod? Message-ID: illegal message cancelled ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:55:47 -0500 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: Re: INPSMB errors Message-ID: <36768mF4tvh3nU1@individual.net> Chris Scheers wrote: >... >> Since you gave INPSMB the privlege then the user does not need to >> know the password to do whatever they want. >... > > Is this really true? I've never used IMPSMB, but looking at the code, > it appears that the PASSWORD card is required. >... I thought it was true when I wrote it, and my memory tells me that it was true back in V3.7 or V4.1 time, but my memory could be 100% wrong. I tried this over the weekend on a V7.3 machine and it is not true today. So I'll just shut up now and hope that someone with more recent experience jumps in to correct my memory. -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX www.weaverconsulting.ca ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 2005 06:55:00 -0800 From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com Subject: Is 7.3.2 latest Alpha version? Message-ID: <1107183300.109869.72400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I have 7.3-2 from Nov 2003. I that the latest shipped? When will the next Alpha release be, if any? Should an upgrade from 7.2-1 be without problems? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:32:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Jefferson Humber Subject: Re: Is 7.3.2 latest Alpha version? Message-ID: tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote: > I have 7.3-2 from Nov 2003. I that the latest shipped? > > When will the next Alpha release be, if any? > Should an upgrade from 7.2-1 be without problems? > 8.2 was announced by HP on the 18th Jan 2005. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms82_announce.html However I don't expect I'll see it on CD/DVD for a month or so. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:36:56 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Its the applications dummy !!!! Message-ID: In article <1107102878.847286.268780@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: >this will only happen if you get VMS out of the hands of a company that >doesn't want to be in the OS business ... it will take a dedicated >buyer of VMS to bring back apps and destroy the unix/linux/windoze >market with a superior os ... the apps gap can be quickly made up buy >purchases or mergers ... one nice one would be with Process Software, >where TCPware would nicely replace ucx, and where pmdf and precisemail >would give vms good mail apps ... Unfortunately although Process now develop and support PMDF it is still ,as far as I am aware, owned by SUN (following their purchase of the original owners Innosoft). This is one reason why although there are hobbyist licenses for TCPWARE and Multinet there isn't for PMDF. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University > ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 2005 07:54:34 GMT From: Thierry Dussuet Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! Message-ID: On 2005-01-31, David J Dachtera wrote: > Beach Runner wrote: >> >> work wrote: >> >> > How much that would be anyway? >> > >> > When I close my eyes sometimes I see GUI looking similar to OS X or >> > something but with VMS inside! >> > >> >> Why would HP want a better product competing against them? > > How many GS1280 class machines run OS-X or anything close to it? > > Are there any other questions? How would you deal with the fact that you don't see the animations anymore? :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:30:00 -0800 From: Jeff Cameron Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! Message-ID: Yes, when Apple decided to use the UNIX kernel, I knew they made a good decision, because then Steve Jobs could focus more of his strengths on Applications. I always think, what if he chose VMS instead. I know it would have been more expensive for apple, but then Apple can afford it, and just imagine where VMS would be with apples ilife products, and the availability of office products on the VMS-MAC. Maybe it would have been called OS V. But then again, I also wish 8 tracks and Beta Max were still around. JC On 1/30/05 1:07 PM, in article ctjibd$1u63$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net, "work" wrote: > How much that would be anyway? > > When I close my eyes sometimes I see GUI looking similar to OS X or > something but with VMS inside! > > > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????: > news:1107103164.380902.289470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> if all the former DEC employees plus plus users like us would >> all chip in and then the group could secure an investment from some >> current big users (cerner) and a few big investors, then vms could be >> free to destroy the entire windoze/unix/linux market! Everyone could >> chip in what they could where 1$ would equal 1 share of stock ... I am >> sure many former employees would even be willing to work for this new >> company ... is anyone doing this? >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:37:57 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! Message-ID: In article <1107103164.380902.289470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: > if all the former DEC employees plus plus users like us would > all chip in and then the group could secure an investment from some > current big users (cerner) and a few big investors, then vms could be > free to destroy the entire windoze/unix/linux market! Everyone could > chip in what they could where 1$ would equal 1 share of stock ... I am > sure many former employees would even be willing to work for this new > company ... is anyone doing this? Let's see...Compaq paid $9 billion for DEC. Let's say VMS is "worth" 1 billion. Let's be optimistic and say we can get 10,000 volunteers. That's $100,000 each. I think that a real VMS enthusiast would be able to invest at most, day, $10,000. So we need 100,000 people. Doesn't seem viable to me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:47:52 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Lets all pitch in and buy OpenVMS! Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:37:57 +0000 (UTC), Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > Let's see...Compaq paid $9 billion for DEC. Let's say VMS is "worth" 1 > billion. Let's be optimistic and say we can get 10,000 volunteers. > That's $100,000 each. I think that a real VMS enthusiast would be able > to invest at most, day, $10,000. So we need 100,000 people. Doesn't > seem viable to me. Haven't yet seen the numbers for 2004, but based on 2003 numbers, I think the number would have to be much bigger, maybe as much as $8B -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:41:13 GMT From: Nigel Barker Subject: Re: MySQL problem Message-ID: <3bqrv014fq55d6goq1ip2dejam46sl2tro@4ax.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:59:16 +0000, issinoho wrote: >Nigel Barker wrote: >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:21:21 +0000, issinoho wrote: >> >> >>>Am trying to get phpmyadmin up and running - has anyone done this? Are >>>there any gotchas form the outset? >> >> >> It's been a while but AFAICR it just worked out of the box. It's just pure PHP. >> >> -- >> Nigel Barker >> Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur >There seems to be an issue with filenames. Unzipping the package >produces files eith underscores rather than dots, phpmyadmin uses >multiple dots in filenames. VMS is unable to support 3 dots in a >filename it appears. I always find UNZIP to be problematical with the typically wacko UNIX filenames. One particular quirk I have found is it setting names of all directories to upper case. I would always recommend grabbing the tar file & extracting the files either using standalone VMSTAR or access it from the BASH shell provided by GNV. -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:56:54 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: MySQL problem Message-ID: <1107161150.97433eb03555bfa388d74932f5cf41c7@teranews> > >There seems to be an issue with filenames. Unzipping the package > >produces files eith underscores rather than dots, phpmyadmin uses > >multiple dots in filenames. VMS is unable to support 3 dots in a > >filename it appears. Same stuff when you try to copy an HTML site. The copying process may localise the VMS file names, but the HREFs inside still point to the quirky file names. I still say VMS should have the ALL-IN-1 equivalent of MAKE_FILE_NAME in its file system. Takes any string and transforms it into valid file name. This way, there would be one standard and consistent way to get foreign file names to fit VMS. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:06:28 -0000 From: "issinoho" Subject: Re: MySQL problem Message-ID: <10vsiblk3lhj011@corp.supernews.com> Using GNUTAR on the phpmyadmin tarball produces a top level folder of the following format, PHPMYADMIN-2^.2^.6.DIR which renders (from what I can tell) the folder unusable in VMS. I have to use DFU to get rid of it. What are those '^' carat symbols and why do they appear? "Nigel Barker" wrote in message news:3bqrv014fq55d6goq1ip2dejam46sl2tro@4ax.com... > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:59:16 +0000, issinoho wrote: > >>Nigel Barker wrote: >>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:21:21 +0000, issinoho wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Am trying to get phpmyadmin up and running - has anyone done this? Are >>>>there any gotchas form the outset? >>> >>> >>> It's been a while but AFAICR it just worked out of the box. It's just >>> pure PHP. >>> >>> -- >>> Nigel Barker >>> Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur >>There seems to be an issue with filenames. Unzipping the package >>produces files eith underscores rather than dots, phpmyadmin uses >>multiple dots in filenames. VMS is unable to support 3 dots in a >>filename it appears. > > I always find UNZIP to be problematical with the typically wacko UNIX > filenames. > One particular quirk I have found is it setting names of all directories > to > upper case. > > I would always recommend grabbing the tar file & extracting the files > either > using standalone VMSTAR or access it from the BASH shell provided by GNV. > > -- > Nigel Barker > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 2005 07:28:51 -0800 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: MySQL problem Message-ID: <1107185331.014066.292800@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> issinoho wrote: > Using GNUTAR on the phpmyadmin tarball produces a top level folder of the > following format, PHPMYADMIN-2^.2^.6.DIR which renders (from what I can > tell) the folder unusable in VMS. I have to use DFU to get rid of it. What > are those '^' carat symbols and why do they appear? That is a perfectly good directory on an ODS-5 disk. Make sure your process is set to EXTENDED parsing by entering "set proc/parse=extend" before trying to use it. DO NOT GET RID OF IT. The carets are escape characters and tell DCL that the dots are part of the file name and do not seperate the filename from the extension. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:29 +1100 From: Paddy O'Brien Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: <41FDF2F9.2010605@transgrid.com.au> Dr. Dweeb wrote: > Hi, > > Sometime ago someone responding on this newsgroup had a pointer to their > photography site - name and site lost in the mists. Anyway, there was a > great picture (b/w) of the Battersea Power Station. > > If you spot this you might leave me the address. I am perhaps interested in > acquiring a print (a large one). > > Thanks > Dr. Dweeb > I've just got back from 5 weeks leave. Sortta confused between US and UK -- is 01/02 second of Jan or first of Feb (which hasn't quite happened yet :-) Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego. Some excellent shots of the site (between the fights). Is the station still going? I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 when Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years. The A station was already shut down. Regards, Paddy *********************************************************************** "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise the sender. You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited. If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid immediately. 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I am perhaps >> interested in >> acquiring a print (a large one). >> >> Thanks >> Dr. Dweeb >> > I've just got back from 5 weeks leave. Sortta confused between US and > UK -- is 01/02 second of Jan or first of Feb (which hasn't quite > happened yet :-) > > Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve > Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego. Some excellent > shots of the site (between the fights). > > Is the station still going? I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 when > Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years. The A station was > already shut down. > > Regards, Paddy > Just curious, is/was VMS being used in this power station? I'm also fascinated by it's impressive architecture. Cheers! K.C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:21:53 +0000 From: John Laird Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:29 +1100, Paddy O'Brien wrote: >Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve >Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego. Some excellent >shots of the site (between the fights). > >Is the station still going? I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 when >Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years. The A station was >already shut down. It closed down not long after you left. Grand plans have come and gone, but it looks like the latest may be about to fly(*). Some history at the ever-useful Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Power_Station and the link at the bottom takes you to a Flash site. (*) A bit like Pink Floyd's inflatable pig, maybe ;-) I've worked for the CEGB too, but only as a student. Happy days. -- Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it. Mail john rather than nospam... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: <00A3EAF2.D6C72B56@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , John Laird writes: >On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:29 +1100, Paddy O'Brien > wrote: > >>Battersea Power Station was featured in one of the Cristopher Reeve >>Superman films -- the one where he fought his alter ego. Some excellent >>shots of the site (between the fights). >> >>Is the station still going? I worked for CEGB and left in 1982 when >>Battersea was scheduled to be closed within 5 years. The A station was >>already shut down. > >It closed down not long after you left. Grand plans have come and gone, but >it looks like the latest may be about to fly(*). Some history at the >ever-useful Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Power_Station >and the link at the bottom takes you to a Flash site. > >(*) A bit like Pink Floyd's inflatable pig, maybe ;-) > >I've worked for the CEGB too, but only as a student. Happy days. I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London. I'm off to London again in March. This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park for some better close-up... Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. -- http://www.ProvN.com for the *best* OpenVMS system security solutions that others only claim to be. -- Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.: The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:02:29 +0000 From: John Laird Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London. I'm off to >London again in March. This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park >for some better close-up... Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile. Can't vouch for the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-) -- Computer widow: Family goes broke watching Dad have fun. Mail john rather than nospam... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:31 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: <00A3EB00.CF5FFFCC@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com>, John Laird writes: >On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London. I'm off to >>London again in March. This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park >>for some better close-up... Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. > >A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile. Can't vouch for >the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-) Been there. Took a walk one trip from the Tower of London across the Tower bridge, along the Thames stopping at the Globe and then to the Tate Modern. From the Tate, walked the Millenium foot bridge across and back in the dir- ection of St. Paul's. Don't recall where I went from there on that trek. -- http://www.ProvN.com for the *best* OpenVMS system security solutions that others only claim to be. -- Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.: The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:09:57 GMT From: Nigel Barker Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: <6ugsv01pln1amu93v86u1utam1dm26gfss@4ax.com> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:31 GMT, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >In article <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com>, John Laird writes: >>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> >>>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London. I'm off to >>>London again in March. This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park >>>for some better close-up... Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. >> >>A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile. Can't vouch for >>the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-) > >Been there. Took a walk one trip from the Tower of London across the Tower >bridge, along the Thames stopping at the Globe and then to the Tate Modern. >From the Tate, walked the Millenium foot bridge across and back in the dir- >ection of St. Paul's. Don't recall where I went from there on that trek. In 1999 after visiting the Millennium Dome with my daughters we had a wonderful trip up-river in a water-bus. We passed all the above attractions plus the South Bank complex, County Hall & finished up at the London Eye where we could see the Houses of Parliament just up-river. -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:05:40 +0000 From: John Laird Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:31 GMT, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >In article <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com>, John Laird writes: >>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> >>>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London. I'm off to >>>London again in March. This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park >>>for some better close-up... Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. >> >>A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile. Can't vouch for >>the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-) > >Been there. Took a walk one trip from the Tower of London across the Tower >bridge, along the Thames stopping at the Globe and then to the Tate Modern. >From the Tate, walked the Millenium foot bridge across and back in the dir- >ection of St. Paul's. Don't recall where I went from there on that trek. The Tower ? (Hope that's not too "in" a joke. The Tower of London is one of the oldest jails...) Someone has mentioned the London Eye - also worth a whirl, I'm sure, for the view from 400'. -- ZenCrafters - Total Enlightenment in about an hour. Mail john rather than nospam... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:05:58 GMT From: Nigel Barker Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:09:57 GMT, Nigel Barker wrote: >On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:31 GMT, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >>In article <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com>, John Laird writes: >>>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> >>>>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London. I'm off to >>>>London again in March. This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park >>>>for some better close-up... Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. >>> >>>A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile. Can't vouch for >>>the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-) >> >>Been there. Took a walk one trip from the Tower of London across the Tower >>bridge, along the Thames stopping at the Globe and then to the Tate Modern. >>From the Tate, walked the Millenium foot bridge across and back in the dir- >>ection of St. Paul's. Don't recall where I went from there on that trek. > >In 1999 after visiting the Millennium Dome with my daughters we had a wonderful >trip up-river in a water-bus. We passed all the above attractions plus the South >Bank complex, County Hall & finished up at the London Eye where we could see the >Houses of Parliament just up-river. I forgot to mention that it was dark but all the tourist attractions were well illuminated plus there was a powerful green laser running from Greenwich along the zero meridian. -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:45:56 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: Battersea Power Station Message-ID: <00A3EB12.E3CEE277@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , John Laird writes: >On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:31 GMT, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >>In article <01bsv094i4v8qqv6v9uj7t0gpabmfeir3s@4ax.com>, John Laird writes: >>>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:31 GMT, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> >>>>I have pix of the Battersea from numerous trips to London. I'm off to >>>>London again in March. This time I hope to get down to Battersea Park >>>>for some better close-up... Maybe fly a VMS pig in the pix. >>> >>>A trip to Bankside power station would also be worthwhile. Can't vouch for >>>the contents of the Tate Modern art gallery inside, however ;-) >> >>Been there. Took a walk one trip from the Tower of London across the Tower >>bridge, along the Thames stopping at the Globe and then to the Tate Modern. >>From the Tate, walked the Millenium foot bridge across and back in the dir- >>ection of St. Paul's. Don't recall where I went from there on that trek. > >The Tower ? (Hope that's not too "in" a joke. The Tower of London is one >of the oldest jails...) ????? >Someone has mentioned the London Eye - also worth a whirl, I'm sure, for the >view from 400'. I took an evening flight on the eye. Nice view but even with ISO1600 film I couldn't capture the view. -- http://www.ProvN.com for the *best* OpenVMS system security solutions that others only claim to be. -- Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.: The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:04:58 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: VMS Roadmaps & RTR Message-ID: http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/01/29/0333244 I note with interest that on Slide 41, RTR on Tru64 and Solaris will be desupport as of v5.0, due to arrive in 3Q2005. No unix platform will be supported as of that time (only 32-bit linux) - not even the world's most popular commercial unix - Solaris. VAX support will also cease at that release. All in all, an excellent way to paint one's self into a corner as far as the real world is concerned. Solaris support ought to be kept if for no other reason other than to say that RTR is inter-operable with other vendors products (Windows doesn't count as it is a virus). ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.062 ************************