INFO-VAX Fri, 28 Jan 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 56 Contents: Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia DCL-W-OKTAB? Re: DEC Keyboard Question Re: INPSMB errors Re: INPSMB errors Re: MySQL bot on the loose, probably minor VMS impact Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) wik Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Re: Pathworks install/config problem Re: Pathworks install/config problem PWS600au boot Re: PWS600au boot Re: PWS600au boot Re: PWS600au boot Re: PWS600au boot RE: PWS600au boot Re: PWS600au boot Re: VMS CVS client with ssh [OT]: Open Source Solaris - some views ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:39:36 -0000 From: wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) Subject: Re: An Interview With Mr. OpenVMS Himself Message-ID: <95EC6521Fwspenceraporg@216.168.3.30> jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com (JF Mezei) wrote in <41F841A7.1C181D83@teksavvy.com>: >Warren Spencer wrote: >> I hate to admit such things, but it was long enough ago I can get away >> with it. I ran into a fellow (so sorry, don't remember his name) in >> Ottawa in the late 80's who worked for DEC and claimed he worked with >> Cutler on VMS 1. > > Benoit Seauvageau ? > Sorry but it's been so long I don't think there's a chance I'd remember even if I saw his name. Besides - we were drinking and there were scantily-clad women about - more than enough to distract the likes of me! ws -- Warren Spencer ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 2005 08:52:20 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing Message-ID: In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > > I believe Multinet does not do Phase IV over IP, but that Process Software, > the vendor of Multinet, has a separate product that does Phase IV over IP. I have only installed Multinet, and I have used Phase IV over IP. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 2005 08:54:51 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: CLUSTER DECNET LAT Load-Balancing Message-ID: In article <41F9AAA7.19367E0C@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: > JF Mezei wrote: >> >> Sideline question: >> >> I know that MOP, LAT and SCS are ethernet based protocols and not >> routable. > > Huh? TCP/IP and DECnet are "ethernet based protocols". What are you > trying to say? While TCP/IP and DECnet can run over ethernet, they are not limitted to LAN technology. MOP, LAT, and SCS are limitted to LAN technologies. MOP and LAT were specifically designed to run over ethernet segments. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:01:25 GMT From: "Anthony Borla" Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia Message-ID: <9rlKd.138027$K7.73555@news-server.bigpond.net.au> "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:1106875531.f173087640a27bb90ef5896fafe9f214@teranews... > Anthony Borla wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems > > * Include entries for both ODS-2 and ODS-5 ? > > All done, with, hopefully, not *too* many errors ;) ! Many thanks for your help. Cheers, Anthony Borla P.S. I must visit the HP website more often - some *great* documentation there ! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:56:35 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Anthony Borla wrote: > Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), _, -, $_ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Might be better to say "case insensitive". -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! Edmonton (780)438-9343 (voice) (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: DCL-W-OKTAB? Message-ID: Hello, what does %DCL-W-OKTAB mean beyond "command tables are already in latest format"? Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:37:22 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: DEC Keyboard Question Message-ID: In article , "FredK" writes: > >"Christoph Gartmann" wrote in message >news:ct8eo2$oqv$1@news.BelWue.DE... >> In article , "FredK" > writes: > >> >> >VMS will poll the KB when the driver is reset to force a powerup sequence >> >as well. But if no KB is there, the sequence may never complete. >> >> So if I could tell the KVM to send 0xAA to the Alpha this should force the >> Alpha to start the keyboard negotiation? >> > >Yes. If the KVM, when switched sent an 0xAA sequence, life would be >perfect. Now I know that I am able to force the KVM switch to send the power-up signal. Unfortunately this causes the "shift" and "screen" LEDs to blink once, whereas with the keyboard directly attached to an Alpha the LEDs blink twice. Obviously the Rose switch doesn't pass through all the negotiation stuff :-( . It is not one of the "dumb pass-through switches". So it would be helpful if I could tell OpenVMS to assume an LK411 and suppress the negotiation. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:27:50 -0800 From: dundas@caltech.edu (John Dundas) Subject: Re: INPSMB errors Message-ID: In article <1106872888.8de934f6c59928bb87460497ebc6b6fb@teranews>, JF Mezei wrote: > John Dundas wrote: > > %INPSMB-E-JOBCARD, job beginning '$ JOB SYSTEM/LOG=JOHN/KEEP/NOTIFY' > > > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.16 %%%%%%%%%%% > > Message from user SYSTEM on SIMH > > -JBC-E-NOCMKRNL, operation requires CMKRNL privilege > > Not sure how the input symbiont runs. But because it can submit jobs on > behalf of different users (performing the equivalent of SUBMIT/USER), > it would need CMKRNL to perform that function. Yes, that's my understanding also. > Not sure how the card reader interface works though. Is it a process > that runs, listening to that hardware port ? No, the CRDRIVER sends a message to the job controller mailbox to initiate the process. As I understand it, by default a file called INPBATCH.COM is created in the user's account (unless the /NAME= qual is given) containing the card deck. This file is supposed to be executed. That's the extent of my knowledge on the subject. It makes sense that privilege is required. However even the first line seems to indicate some sort of error %INPSMB-E: the E is error status, right? TIA, John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:08:30 -0500 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: Re: INPSMB errors Message-ID: <35vdd1F4s48u5U1@individual.net> John Dundas wrote: > I'm working on a card reader interface for SIMH. The interface works > in most instances, however I'm having trouble with one situation and > need VMS help. I'm submtting a batch job via the card reader. The > job is read correctly (I think) and a corresponding INPBATCH.COM > created in the login directory. However the job does not execute > correctly; instead I receive the following messages on the operator > console: > > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.13 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user SYSTEM on SIMH > %INPSMB-E-JOBCARD, job beginning '$ JOB SYSTEM/LOG=JOHN/KEEP/NOTIFY' > > $ > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.15 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user SYSTEM on SIMH > %INPSMB-E-ENTFIL, error entering file on queue > > $ > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 27-JAN-2005 15:47:00.16 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user SYSTEM on SIMH > -JBC-E-NOCMKRNL, operation requires CMKRNL privilege > > Any hints here? The queue manager is running. The SYS$BATCH queue is > running. Not sure where else to look. The job itself is very > simple, $ SHOW TIME, followed by $ SHOW SYSTEM, then $ EOD. > > All ideas appreciated. > > Thanks, > > John I'm not sure my memory goes back that far and other than knowing what room the cardreader was in I did not have much to do with it, but; Did you put a "$ PASSWORD" card in your reader? Who owns the queue that is running the INPSMB symbiont? (SHOW QUEUE/FULL queuename) I think that if the queue is not owned by the same username that you have on your JOB card then you need a PASSWORD card. But that was a long time ago and I could be totally wrong now. If all else fails you could install INPSMB with CMKRNL privilege, but that would turn off all security you have on your system and leave it wide open to anyone who wants it. -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX www.weaverconsulting.ca ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 2005 15:56:27 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: MySQL bot on the loose, probably minor VMS impact Message-ID: <35v5lbF4qsig7U1@individual.net> In article <1106849294.395455.291200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com writes: > There's a MySQL bot on the loose. Per the info at the ISC ( > http://isc.sans.org/diary.php/diary.php?date=2005-01-27 ) it looks like > it can only really infect a wintel based system, but the breakin part > could work on MySQL on other platforms; that might leave an unexpected > (but unusable) file on the system, at least until the snerts start > creating executables for other platforms. It does a brute force attack > on the database 'root' password via a connection to port 3306 and uses > that to drop a wintel DLL onto the system, then executes it. > > Port 3306 scanning has been noted; this is probably why. > > This is not a flaw in MySQL except if you count a possibly poor > password on the database's ROOT account against it. Recommendations > are made for providing better security. > > Just in case any of you are running MySQL in a more open environment > (mine is safely ensconced on a private firewall protected LAN with no > wintels around)... > I don't see the problem. My server running MySql will only accept connection on 3306 from machines I have specifically authorized so any attack would have to come from in-house. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 2005 09:02:56 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on Message-ID: In article , Jeff Cameron writes: > Does anyone know what ever happened to Spiralog? Supposedly the next great > open file system. DEC/Compaq discovered what many of us suspected during their early technology discussions - the world has very few write-mostly applications. Once one introduced reading into the mix, performance gains went negative. The project was cancelled. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:20 +0100 From: Michael Unger Subject: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) Message-ID: <35u9cqF4r75e7U1@individual.net> On 2005-01-28 01:54, "Anthony Borla" wrote: > [...] > > Also, some issues I think worth considering include: > > * Include entries for both ODS-2 and ODS-5 ? ODS-1, RSX-11 file system ODS-2, VMS standard file system ODS-3, ISO-9660, used on CDs ODS-4, High Sierra, used on CDs ODS-5, VMS extended file system > * Access Control - Include / discuss UIC-based and > ACL-based ? Yes. (But I don't have a suggestion for the entry.) > I hope this starts an interesting and fruitful branch off the current > thread. > > [...] > > ODS-2 > > *Limits* > Maximum filename length _39 character name, 39 character extension_ > Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), _, -, $_ > Maximum pathname length _255 + 8 x 39 + 39 + 39_ > Maximum file size _..._ According to the OpenVMS FAQ, Section 9.6: 1 TB (VMS 6.0 and later); Section 10.22.2: 2 GB with specific C/C++ file operations. > Maximum volume size _..._ According to the OpenVMS FAQ, Section 9.5: 1 TB (VMS 6.0 and later); 8.38 GB (2^24 blocks) for versions prior to 6.0. > [...] Michael -- Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:08:18 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) Message-ID: Jeff Cameron wrote: > > Does anyone know what ever happened to Spiralog? Supposedly the next > great open file system. A good starting point: http://www.openvms.org/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=1397&t=1384 If you google 'spiralog' you will find many technical papers and commentaries. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:12:18 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) Message-ID: Forgot to include this link in my last post: http://research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJM00/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:26:52 -0800 From: Jeff Cameron Subject: Re: OpenVMS file systems (was: Comparison of operating systems on wikipedia) wik Message-ID: On 1/27/05 11:41 PM, in article 35u9cqF4r75e7U1@individual.net, "Michael Unger" wrote: > On 2005-01-28 01:54, "Anthony Borla" wrote: > >> [...] >> >> Also, some issues I think worth considering include: >> >> * Include entries for both ODS-2 and ODS-5 ? > > ODS-1, RSX-11 file system > ODS-2, VMS standard file system > ODS-3, ISO-9660, used on CDs > ODS-4, High Sierra, used on CDs > ODS-5, VMS extended file system > >> * Access Control - Include / discuss UIC-based and >> ACL-based ? > > Yes. (But I don't have a suggestion for the entry.) > >> I hope this starts an interesting and fruitful branch off the current >> thread. >> >> [...] >> >> ODS-2 >> >> *Limits* >> Maximum filename length _39 character name, 39 character extension_ >> Allowable filename characters _Alphanumeric (uppercase-only), _, -, $_ >> Maximum pathname length _255 + 8 x 39 + 39 + 39_ >> Maximum file size _..._ > > According to the OpenVMS FAQ, Section 9.6: 1 TB (VMS 6.0 and later); > Section 10.22.2: 2 GB with specific C/C++ file operations. > >> Maximum volume size _..._ > > According to the OpenVMS FAQ, Section 9.5: 1 TB (VMS 6.0 and later); > 8.38 GB (2^24 blocks) for versions prior to 6.0. > >> [...] > > Michael Does anyone know what ever happened to Spiralog? Supposedly the next great open file system. Jeff Cameron? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:24:25 GMT From: Nigel Barker Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:02:53 -0500, JF Mezei wrote: >Lacking in the VMS roadmap is any mention of VMS versions for VAX. IS >7.3 the last one, or is 8.2 or is it a case of a decision not having >been made ? From the notes on Slide 7:- "VAX releases: The OpenVMS VAX Version 8.2 release is currently under investigation as we assess customer demand. OpenVMS VAX will continue to be supported into the future." BTW You should have called out this other important note from Slide 7:- "Support for the rx8620 and Superdome (Madison 6 and Madison 9) systems, up to 16 CPU’s in a nPAR (hardware partition) will be delivered in a V8.2-1 release by September 2005. The V8.2-1 release will be for Integrity only and include maintenance updates and hardware support." -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:46:12 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Message-ID: <41FA09AF.9019F715@teksavvy.com> Nigel Barker wrote: > "Support for the rx8620 and Superdome (Madison 6 and Madison 9) systems, up to > 16 CPU’s in a nPAR (hardware partition) will be delivered in a V8.2-1 release by > September 2005. The V8.2-1 release will be for Integrity only and include > maintenance updates and hardware support." In the past, this would, have been a -HA release. I think VAX VMS 6.1HA for instance included support for some machines which didn't exist at the time 5.5 came out. (or something like that). Question: if HP does not produce 8.2 for VAX, does this mean that there would be very reduce operability between VAX and IA64 and command procedures designed to handle all 3 architectures may balk when running on VAX when they encounter code testing for IA64 which doesn't exist on VAX-VMS ? Would clustering work with an IA64 box (albeit unsupported) ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:14:03 +0100 From: Michael Unger Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Message-ID: <35ur1fF4qpeouU1@individual.net> On 2005-01-28 10:24, "Nigel Barker" wrote: > [...] > > From the notes on Slide 7:- I can't find *any* notes on page 7 (of the PDF version, of course). Is the _real_ information hidden in proprietary data formats useless for the obviously intended audience? > [...] Michael -- Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:49:32 GMT From: Nigel Barker Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:46:12 -0500, JF Mezei wrote: >Nigel Barker wrote: >> "Support for the rx8620 and Superdome (Madison 6 and Madison 9) systems, up to >> 16 CPU’s in a nPAR (hardware partition) will be delivered in a V8.2-1 release by >> September 2005. The V8.2-1 release will be for Integrity only and include >> maintenance updates and hardware support." > > >In the past, this would, have been a -HA release. I think VAX VMS 6.1HA >for instance included support for some machines which didn't exist at >the time 5.5 came out. (or something like that). An Alpha hardware release would be an 'H' like 7.2-1H1 supporting the Wildfire. >Question: if HP does not produce 8.2 for VAX, does this mean that there >would be very reduce operability between VAX and IA64 and command >procedures designed to handle all 3 architectures may balk when running >on VAX when they encounter code testing for IA64 which doesn't exist on >VAX-VMS ? Only if using some of Guy Peleg's fancy new features in DCL. Even then you can conditionalise your DCL easily enough to avoid features missing on VAX. >Would clustering work with an IA64 box (albeit unsupported) ? Of course. It's been working for at least 18 months. It's only software after all:-) I have a nice little mixed architecture cluster demo with an rx2600, a DS10 plus a VAXserver 3900. Of course the VAX is actually SIMH running on my laptop! -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:14:51 GMT From: Nigel Barker Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:14:03 +0100, Michael Unger wrote: >I can't find *any* notes on page 7 (of the PDF version, of course). Is >the _real_ information hidden in proprietary data formats useless for >the obviously intended audience? Just an oversight I am sure. The notes are available when you read the (admittedly rather ugly) HTML version of the presentation. In the meantime drop me an email & I will send you a copy of the Powerpoint with notes pages converted to PDF. -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 2005 08:58:51 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Message-ID: In article <1106855516.501bf173f45903a9af604167bbcc9ab9@teranews>, JF Mezei writes: > > There is mention of X.25 with continued support on VAX and Alpha. Does > this mean that IA64 systems will not support X.25 ? > There are X.25 bridges that sit on ethernet, so if it's not built into VMS any more then it's just a matter of choosing the correct hardware. It's been a long time since I actually used an X.25 board in Qbus. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:17:10 GMT From: "FredK" Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Message-ID: I believe the matter is under review. Few customers are using x.25 sync devices any longer, and are doing x.25 over IP. If you have a business requirement, send your cards & letters. "Bob Koehler" wrote in message news:RKtCZajLgf5f@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article <1106855516.501bf173f45903a9af604167bbcc9ab9@teranews>, JF Mezei writes: > > > > There is mention of X.25 with continued support on VAX and Alpha. Does > > this mean that IA64 systems will not support X.25 ? > > > There are X.25 bridges that sit on ethernet, so if it's not built > into VMS any more then it's just a matter of choosing the correct > hardware. > > It's been a long time since I actually used an X.25 board in Qbus. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:38:42 -0500 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Message-ID: <35vbl5F4q44neU1@individual.net> Nigel Barker wrote: >... > Of course. It's been working for at least 18 months. It's only > software after all:-) I have a nice little mixed architecture cluster > demo with an rx2600, a DS10 plus a VAXserver 3900. Of course the VAX > is actually SIMH running on my laptop! I also have a Cluster setup with a AXP 800, RX2600 and CHARON-VAX on a laptop. The only problem is that MONITOR CLUSTER from the Alpha or VAX does not include the RX2600 and from the RX2600 does not include either of the other boxes. Since MONITOR was rewritten for 8.2 it is incompatible with V7.x versions, but other than that I can see all disks from all nodes (I can even use the ODS-5 disks from the VAX) and I can use the tape drives from each node. BTW: DECUS^H^H^H^H^HEncompass Canada is holding some VMS seminars soon; http://www.encompasscanada.com/seminars.htm -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX www.weaverconsulting.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:55:25 +0100 From: Michael Unger Subject: Re: OpenVMS What's New - January Announcements Updated Message-ID: <35vda7F4p7n0kU1@individual.net> On 2005-01-28 15:14, "Nigel Barker" wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:14:03 +0100, Michael Unger > wrote: > >>I can't find *any* notes on page 7 (of the PDF version, of course). Is >>the _real_ information hidden in proprietary data formats useless for >>the obviously intended audience? > > Just an oversight I am sure. The notes are available when you read the > (admittedly rather ugly) HTML version of the presentation. > > In the meantime drop me an email & I will send you a copy of the Powerpoint with > notes pages converted to PDF. Got it. Thanks! I have to admit there is much more information in the "notes" than in the official "presentation". Michael -- Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:35:27 -0000 From: "issinoho" Subject: Re: Pathworks install/config problem Message-ID: <10vk5bhmd64ioac@corp.supernews.com> Paul, thanks for that. This is the newest version of Pathworks I have access to so for the moment my only option is to persevere. The debug logical you supplied had no effect so I spent last night pulling apart command files until things boiled down to PWRK$SAMCHECK.EXE failing when it tries to build the SAM datafiles. My theory at this point was that the older software was crashing out because I am using an ODS-5 disk (for whatever reason). I have a second server (VAX) running the same version of PW successfully so I copied the SAM datafiles across, edited the LANMAN.INI accordingly and re-ran PWRK$CONFIG. Lo-and-behold the procedure ran through and worked perfectly. So starting up PW gets about half of the processes running. PWRK$KNBDAEMON fails as follows, Fri Jan 28 10:19:34 2005 get_ip_addr: gethostbyname error: 0 This is definitely a TCPWare issue as switching to UCX resolves the problem (although for various other reasons I don't want to use UCX) I think I am banging my head off a wall here, some combination of ODS-5, Pathworks & TCPWare is combining to cause me grief. Being only a hobbyist I don't have resources to get newer versions of Pathworks, I don't suppose anyone can oblige? Thanks. "PEN" wrote in message news:ctb755$psn$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com... > Hi, > > "issinoho" wrote in message > news:10vhuvljgemrt63@corp.supernews.com... >> All, >> >> I'm having trouble getting Pathworks running - well, to be precise, >> configured. >> It's failing when creating the SAM database (see below) >> Any hints or tips about troubleshooting this would be more than welcome. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Pathworks Version >> ============= >> PATHWORKS V6.0B for OpenVMS (Advanced Server) >> > > Yikes, that's some really, really old stuff. You should install v6.1 (or > at > least v6.0D). > > >> System Details >> ========== > [snip] > >> Output from PWRK$CONFIG >> ===================== >> 1. Run the license server: NO >> 2. Enable Timesource service: NO >> 3. Enable Alerter service: YES >> 3a. Alert user names: Administrator >> 4. Enable Netlogon service: YES >> 5. Advanced Server domain: LANGROUP >> 6. Advanced Server role: PRIMARY >> 7. Advanced Server computer name: xxxxx >> 8. Server announce comment: PATHWORKS V6.0B for OpenVMS (Advanced >> Server) >> Enter item number, or RETURN to use these values [DONE]: >> >> Saving parameters ... >> Creating SAM datafiles... >> >> %PWRK-F-SAMCHECK, error creating SAM databases >> >> PWRK-I-RESTORE, restoring original settings > > That can be many things, unfortunately. If this is a brand new setup, I > would recommend deleting/renaming any/all files in pwrk$lmdomains: and > pwrk$lmdatafiles: directories (except the [.msgfiles] subdir) and try > again. > Alternately, you can get the actual command that is failing by defining a > logical name before running pwrk$config: > > $ define pwrk$debug_com 1 > > You should really choose a different domain name as well - don't use the > default - make it something unique. > > But again, I urge you to not even try with v6.0B - get v6.1 (or v6.0D) > installed first. For v6.1, if you want clients to map drives/printers to > it, you'll need the license pwlmxxxca07.03, however. > > HTH, > > Paul > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:12:16 -0500 From: "PEN" Subject: Re: Pathworks install/config problem Message-ID: Hi, Regarding ODS5 support, you may be correct - v6.0B may not support _creating_ the SAM files on an ODS5 volume (but you're past that now). The gethostbyname error indicates the server didn't get a response returning the IP address of the local system. Are you otherwise able to translate the local hostname to an IP address (i.e., using some TCPWare command equivalent to $ UCX SHOW HOST )? The sequence, when running TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS, goes like so: The Advanced Server issues a gethostname call. TCP/IP Services returns the fully qualified domain name derived from the logicals TCPIP$INET_HOST and TCPIP$INET_DOMAIN. Advanced Server issues a gethostbyname call.using the name returned above as an argument. TCP/IP Services will either return information from the local host database (most likely) or query a DNS server to get the address and return it to Advanced Server. Paul "issinoho" wrote in message news:10vk5bhmd64ioac@corp.supernews.com... > Paul, thanks for that. > > This is the newest version of Pathworks I have access to so for the moment > my only option is to persevere. > > The debug logical you supplied had no effect so I spent last night pulling > apart command files until things boiled down to PWRK$SAMCHECK.EXE failing > when it tries to build the SAM datafiles. My theory at this point was that > the older software was crashing out because I am using an ODS-5 disk (for > whatever reason). > > I have a second server (VAX) running the same version of PW successfully > so I copied the SAM datafiles across, edited the LANMAN.INI accordingly > and re-ran PWRK$CONFIG. Lo-and-behold the procedure ran through and worked > perfectly. > > So starting up PW gets about half of the processes running. PWRK$KNBDAEMON > fails as follows, > > Fri Jan 28 10:19:34 2005 get_ip_addr: gethostbyname error: 0 > > This is definitely a TCPWare issue as switching to UCX resolves the > problem (although for various other reasons I don't want to use UCX) > > I think I am banging my head off a wall here, some combination of ODS-5, > Pathworks & TCPWare is combining to cause me grief. Being only a hobbyist > I don't have resources to get newer versions of Pathworks, I don't suppose > anyone can oblige? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:44 -0700 From: Dan O'Reilly Subject: PWS600au boot Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050127212857.02418b40@raptor.psccos.com> Just got my 600au in, decided (although it only has 128mb of memory and no disks yet, just a SCSI CD) to try booting a 7.3-2 installation CD. What happens is that the banner displays, then the CD is accessed for a few seconds more, then things just stop. I'm suspicious that this is just a case of no disks being present causing problems. However, I don't *KNOW* that. The config is: SRM console: V7.2-1 ASC console: 5.70 PALcode VMS V1.20-16 SROM V5.90 It has a TGA2 (PCXAL) grapics controller on it. Also: dkb0 Toshiba CD XM-6302B dva0 ewa0 pkc0 pqa0 pqb0 Any ideas, anybody? ------ +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | | Process Software | and those who don't." | | http://www.process.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:50:07 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: PWS600au boot Message-ID: <41FA0A9A.556BAF49@teksavvy.com> Dan O'Reilly wrote: > I'm suspicious that this is just a case of no disks being present causing > problems. However, I don't *KNOW* that. > The config is: It is possible it hangs if it tries to look for a page/swap file ? Can you get into SYSBOOT and ensure the swap/page files are disabled ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:19:03 +0100 From: Karl Rohwedder Subject: Re: PWS600au boot Message-ID: Dan O'Reilly wrote: > Just got my 600au in, decided (although it only has 128mb of memory and > no disks yet, just a SCSI CD) to try booting a 7.3-2 installation CD. > What happens is that the banner displays, then the CD is accessed for a > few seconds more, then things just stop. > > I'm suspicious that this is just a case of no disks being present causing > problems. However, I don't *KNOW* that. > The config is: > > SRM console: V7.2-1 > ASC console: 5.70 > PALcode VMS V1.20-16 > SROM V5.90 > > It has a TGA2 (PCXAL) grapics controller on it. Also: > > dkb0 Toshiba CD XM-6302B > dva0 > ewa0 > pkc0 > pqa0 > pqb0 > > Any ideas, anybody? > > ------ > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ > | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | > | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | > | Process Software | and those who don't." | > | http://www.process.com | | > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ > > You are sure, it's an 600au and not a 600a? mfg Kalle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:59:20 GMT From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: PWS600au boot Message-ID: In article <6.1.2.0.2.20050127212857.02418b40@raptor.psccos.com>, Dan O'Reilly wrote: >Just got my 600au in, decided (although it only has 128mb of memory and >no disks yet, just a SCSI CD) to try booting a 7.3-2 installation CD. >What happens is that the banner displays, then the CD is accessed for a >few seconds more, then things just stop. > >I'm suspicious that this is just a case of no disks being present causing >problems. However, I don't *KNOW* that. >The config is: > >SRM console: V7.2-1 >ASC console: 5.70 >PALcode VMS V1.20-16 >SROM V5.90 > >It has a TGA2 (PCXAL) grapics controller on it. Also: > >dkb0 Toshiba CD XM-6302B >dva0 >ewa0 >pkc0 >pqa0 >pqb0 > >Any ideas, anybody? Lack of disks should not matter. My guess: Check that the CONSOLE environment variable matches what you are really using for a console (SERIAL or GRAPHICS). You can type on either, regardless of the environment variable, and the console will respond. You can enter the boot command on the "wrong" console and the system will start to boot. But right after the banner, VMS starts using the "real" console. If you booted on the "wrong" console, you won't see anything. If VMS is waiting for input (like the date and time), there won't be any progress. Not every alpha system behaves this way, but most of the newer ones do. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:01:26 -0800 From: JBloggs@acme.com Subject: Re: PWS600au boot Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:44 -0700, Dan O'Reilly wrote: >Just got my 600au in, decided (although it only has 128mb of memory and >no disks yet, just a SCSI CD) to try booting a 7.3-2 installation CD. >What happens is that the banner displays, then the CD is accessed for a >few seconds more, then things just stop. the points other posters made inre graphics/serial consoles are good ones. (might even double check that you're looking at COM1 vs COM2). Also note, I find, on 600AUs, a CDROM boot is not all that fast, 2-3 minutes after the initial banner. Push come to hard shove, the later AU models the ones w/ USB ports, Miata GL(?), have a on-board (cypress) IDE controller that VMS can boot via CDROM. (The earlier model (MiataMX5?) had a Intel IDE controller) Push come to harder shove, iirc, you (dano) used to live in the CO Springs area (I'm in Monument). if so. I've a spare XM-5401B on hand you're welcome to if you can't find a SCSI CDROM easily in this day and age .... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:55:28 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: PWS600au boot Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan O'Reilly [mailto:dano@process.com]=20 > Sent: January 27, 2005 8:35 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: PWS600au boot >=20 > Just got my 600au in, decided (although it only has 128mb of=20 > memory and > no disks yet, just a SCSI CD) to try booting a 7.3-2 installation CD. > What happens is that the banner displays, then the CD is=20 > accessed for a > few seconds more, then things just stop. >=20 > I'm suspicious that this is just a case of no disks being=20 > present causing > problems. However, I don't *KNOW* that. > The config is: >=20 > SRM console: V7.2-1 > ASC console: 5.70 > PALcode VMS V1.20-16 > SROM V5.90 >=20 > It has a TGA2 (PCXAL) grapics controller on it. Also: >=20 > dkb0 Toshiba CD XM-6302B > dva0 > ewa0 > pkc0 > pqa0 > pqb0 >=20 > Any ideas, anybody? >=20 Dan, Just a WAG, but also check the console parameter called SCSI_RESET. It should be set to 3 or higher. This parameter determines how long the system waits for the scsi bus to settle down after an init before accessing it e.g. after power up/init etc. I had an issue similar to yours one time where access to the cdrom seemed to have intermittent problems on on boot and increasing this parameter fixed it. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:24:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Graham Burley Subject: Re: PWS600au boot Message-ID: <41FA831D.7CF276A@encompasserve-or-this.org> Dan O'Reilly wrote: > > dkb0 Toshiba CD XM-6302B > dva0 > ewa0 > pkc0 > pqa0 > pqb0 If you have no pkb0 how can you have a dkb0 ? pqb0 implies you should have dqb0 and that your CD is IDE not SCSI. What's the OS_TYPE set to ? ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 2005 09:04:57 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: VMS CVS client with ssh Message-ID: In article , david-m-jones@nospam.net (David Jones) writes: > Anyone have a CVS client in use on VMS 7.3-2 that is using ssh? > I have cvs 1.11 and have it almost working but I only get a "bad file > number" error on attempts to check out. I've got it working on VMS 7.2-1 with Multinet 4.4 SSH. Make sure you're using UNIX syntax for the file names, and do use an ODS-5 disk. We're using pserver authentication. IIRC "bad file number" sounds like the CVS server doesn't understand what file you're trying to checkout. Check your CVS_ROOT setup on the client side, and your cvs login command. If that doens't help, then post some details. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:51:42 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: [OT]: Open Source Solaris - some views Message-ID: http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/index.php?p=978&tag=nl.e540-2 ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.056 ************************