INFO-VAX Sat, 22 Jan 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 44 Contents: Re: Berkely DB Re: Berkely DB Berkely DB (was: vms versus solaris) Re: Berkely DB (was: vms versus solaris) Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server) Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server) Re: DEC Keyboard Question Re: DEC Keyboard Question Re: disk drive spin direction Re: disk drive spin direction Re: disk drive spin direction Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages Re: Marcello predicts 500% perfomance improvement Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? Re: Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS) Re: Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS) RE: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM Re: PWS 600au Memory Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters Re: using pipes for communication Re: vms versus solaris Re: vms versus solaris Re: vms versus solaris Re: [OT] disk drive spin direction ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:21:31 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: Berkely DB Message-ID: <41f28b9c$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net> John E. Malmberg wrote: > Keith Cayemberg wrote: > >> >> Yes, Berkeley DB does provide a record management service, and to my >> knowledge it will run on nearly all operating systems, including OpenVMS. > > > If you know of a working port of Berkely DB to OpenVMS, please post a link. Sorry John, I don't have, or have access to, a port to OpenVMS. I was referring to the following posting by Keith Bostic, which I still had in dim memory. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/b4991b7874b6beef I suppose Keith Bostic at Sleepycat would be the one to ask. Cheers! Keith Cayemberg > A working port or simulation of it is one of the needed components to > port the Red-Hat Package Manager to OpenVMS. > > The closest that I can find is: http://www.sleepycat.com/ which seems to > be the supplier of the Berkely DB to the few LINUX distributions that I > have checked. > > It appears that Sleepycat does not have a GNU style license either at > the time I looked four years ago. Some use may require paying a license > fee. > > At that time, the source download mentioned that someone attempted to > make it run on OpenVMS 6.2, and because of that there are references to > OpenVMS in the source code. They also stated that they did not know if > it did or did not work. > > -John > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:33:42 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: Berkely DB Message-ID: <41f28e78$0$820$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net> Keith Cayemberg wrote: > John E. Malmberg wrote: > >> Keith Cayemberg wrote: >> >>> >>> Yes, Berkeley DB does provide a record management service, and to my >>> knowledge it will run on nearly all operating systems, including >>> OpenVMS. >> >> >> >> If you know of a working port of Berkely DB to OpenVMS, please post a >> link. > > > Sorry John, > > I don't have, or have access to, a port to OpenVMS. I was referring to > the following posting by Keith Bostic, which I still had in dim memory. > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/b4991b7874b6beef > > I suppose Keith Bostic at Sleepycat would be the one to ask. > > Cheers! > > Keith Cayemberg Oh! I forgot to mention, there is also a JAVA port of the Berkely DB which should run on OpenVMS. http://www.sleepycat.com/products/je.shtml However Keith Bostic mentions here... http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/8abefec26670fbbd "While the Berkeley DB Java Edition is pure Java and largely API compatible with the original Berkeley DB, it is not database or log file format compatible with the original Berkeley DB." More Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:39:48 -0500 From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Berkely DB (was: vms versus solaris) Message-ID: Keith Cayemberg wrote: > > Yes, Berkeley DB does provide a record management service, and to my > knowledge it will run on nearly all operating systems, including > OpenVMS. If you know of a working port of Berkely DB to OpenVMS, please post a link. A working port or simulation of it is one of the needed components to port the Red-Hat Package Manager to OpenVMS. The closest that I can find is: http://www.sleepycat.com/ which seems to be the supplier of the Berkely DB to the few LINUX distributions that I have checked. It appears that Sleepycat does not have a GNU style license either at the time I looked four years ago. Some use may require paying a license fee. At that time, the source download mentioned that someone attempted to make it run on OpenVMS 6.2, and because of that there are references to OpenVMS in the source code. They also stated that they did not know if it did or did not work. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2005 07:53:40 -0800 From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Berkely DB (was: vms versus solaris) Message-ID: <1106409220.857392.318330@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> John E. Malmberg wrote: > It appears that Sleepycat does not have a GNU style license either at > the time I looked four years ago. Some use may require paying a license > fee. > > > -John > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only Here is a snippet of the current (1990-2004) Sleepycat Berkely DB license. I'll leave it to the online lawyers to decide if it's GNU-like or not. The following is the license that applies to this copy of the Berkeley DB or Berkeley DB XML software. For a license to use the Berkeley DB or Berkeley DB XML software under conditions other than those described here, or to purchase support for this software, please contact Sleepycat Software at one of the following addresses: Sleepycat Software info@sleepycat.com 118 Tower Road +1 (978) 897-6487 Lincoln, MA 01773 877-SLEEPYCAT (toll-free, USA only) USA If you were looking for the license that applies to Berkeley DB Java Edition, click here =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= /* * Copyright (c) 1990-2004 * Sleepycat Software. All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * 3. Redistributions in any form must be accompanied by information on * how to obtain complete source code for the DB software and any * accompanying software that uses the DB software. The source code * must either be included in the distribution or be available for no * more than the cost of distribution plus a nominal fee, and must be * freely redistributable under reasonable conditions. For an * executable file, complete source code means the source code for all * modules it contains. It does not include source code for modules or * files that typically accompany the major components of the operating * system on which the executable file runs. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2005 08:37:05 -0800 From: mark_doherty@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server) Message-ID: <1106411825.099439.172680@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> > > We do not have LAT running. > > SHOW NETWORK shows the node 202.1 is on the network, > > That's not a valid DECnet address. DECnet addresses are: Sorry, 1.202 > > > To configure the other system do I > > install Kermit 95 on the pc It appears that Kermit 95 does not support DECnet or LAT without Pathworks 32 (7+) (and pathworks needs open vms), so I suppose that I will have to use a TCP/IP stack (CMU). Are there performance issues with CMU? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:42:35 -0700 From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." Subject: Re: Connecting VAX VMS (5.2) to PC (Windows 2000 Server) Message-ID: <41F2827B.8020001@MMaz.com> mark_doherty@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >>>We do not have LAT running. >>>SHOW NETWORK shows the node 202.1 is on the network, >>> >>> >>That's not a valid DECnet address. DECnet addresses are: >> >> >Sorry, 1.202 > > >>>To configure the other system do I >>>install Kermit 95 on the pc >>> >>> > >It appears that Kermit 95 does not support DECnet or LAT without >Pathworks 32 (7+) (and pathworks needs open vms), so I suppose that I >will have to use a TCP/IP stack (CMU). >Are there performance issues with CMU? > > Yes, but it is free and will most likely be your best bet for that old of an OS. Barry -- Barry Treahy, Jr E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com Midwest Microwave, Inc. Phone: 480/314-1320 Vice President & CIO FAX: 480/661-7028 ... but it's a DRY HEAT! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:20:15 -0500 From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: DEC Keyboard Question Message-ID: [Followups set to comp.os.vms since this is about OpenVMS use] johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote: > I have a couple of questions about DEC/Compaq/HP keyboards. The first > question may make the second one moot but here goes: > > I have found discussions about various KVM switches and the DEC 108-key > keybords and most seem to indicate that they do not mix well except for > a few brands/models. Does anyone know if the Avocent Outlook ES series > works or doesn't? Do not know. From what I have been able to determine much of the trouble has been from using them with multiple operating systems that may put the keyboard in different scan modes, and some KVM switches do not remember which scan mode that each host was using to put it back. The other issue that affects KVM suitability is if the KVM uses keyboard keys to switch sessions. The Belkin model that I have only because it was really cheap on sale, and also switched the audio, uses the key that is known as "Scroll Lock" on an X86 PC. It requires that you press it twice in a time period and then hit up or down arrow. Experiments have shown that it passes those some of those key strokes through to the host operating system. On the LK4xx series keyboard, the key that generates the "Scroll Lock" code is F19, which has meaning to the Mozilla application. Holding down the Alt key while entering the required string seems to send a keystroke sequence that toggles DECWindows-Motif handling of the mouse mode, and after switching back to the OpenVMS system, I seem to have to usually key in an additional ALT-F19 to toggle it back. I have only had this KVM a little while and this is only a hobby system, so I do not know if other problems could occur from it's use. If this is a production system, I would suggest contacting HP support. > Also, dispite much Googling and Yahooing I have not been able to find > the difference between the LK46W-XX and LK461-XX keyboards. I know > they are both 108-key "OpenVMS" style, although I cannot find any > keyboard layouts. I have also found in various SOC editions where both > are listed as suitable for AlphaServer class machines. I just wonder > what the difference was and if it is significant or will either work > fine with my OpenVMS boxes. The two keyboards have a similar layout. I not sure that there are any functional differences. I am typing on an LK461 right now. I am not aware of what the different model number's mean. There also appears to be a LK451 model which has in addition to the VMS layout, key caps that indicate which keys generate the typical x86 PC codes. It also has two more LEDs for Scroll Lock and something else I can not remember. I have been able to use standard x86 PC keyboards with Alphas to do elementary things. They work well enough to get OpenVMS installed or upgraded and get the hobby license keys installed. After that, I mainly accessed that system from the network. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2005 09:00:51 -0800 From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: DEC Keyboard Question Message-ID: <1106413251.881340.282320@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Thanks John. Maybe this will work then. The Avovent KVM has a "version" page and when I check it while it is connected to a Win2k machine it says the keyboard mode is "2" with a 101/104 key keyboard, while when it is connected to the VMS system it is mode "3". This KVM uses the "Print Screen" key to switch systems. Currently I have no problem switching back and forth between the two using a standard PC keyboard, but I really want something more compatible with TPU/EDT/etc so I've been looking at the LK46X series. I also use telnet/PuTTY/XWindows to access the VMS systems mostly once they are set up on the network. I'm hoping the terminal emulator will also work with the LK46X keyboards. Looks like experimentation time. John H. Reinhardt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:45:06 +0000 From: John Laird Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction Message-ID: <12i4v0hgtjbtp0nfm8f755r5s5ukdvl5ko@4ax.com> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:43:06 -0500, Bill Todd wrote: >Since my impression is that the heads actually rest on the surface of >the disk (outside the 'working' area) when the disk has spun down, I >suspect that during start-up and slow-down having them 'trail behind' >their arm pivot point as viewed from the spinning disk surface (as a >record needle does) would be desirable - which would likely also be true >should the head ever come into contact with the working area of the disk >while it was spinning. But I don't *know* that disks are designed this way. An extremely compelling argument. Heads can and do sometimes stick on the parking area, and not necessarily in a fatal fashion. To have this rotate towards the pivot would seem counter-intuitive. As far as the "flying" head is concerned, the direction of rotation is irrelevant to the detection and manipulation of the magnetic domains, but areodynamically it needs to encourage a stable air-flow underneath, and may be shaped to suit. If so, it might not take kindly to a reversal of rotation direction. Assuming rotation is away from the pivot, most pictures I have seen would indicate that disks rotate counter-clockwise when viewed with the cover off. -- When Mozart was my age, he was dead. Mail john rather than nospam... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:36:43 -0500 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction Message-ID: John Laird wrote: ... Heads can and do sometimes stick on the > parking area, and not necessarily in a fatal fashion. Excellent point, given that the extremely light-weight arms required for good seek performance are likely to be considerably more tolerant of tension than of compression. Your sig reminds me of Tom Lehrer, who I'm glad to say is still irreverently among us but not, unfortunately, still producing his inimitable music (I think it's been re-released recently, though). - bill ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2005 10:47:02 -0500 From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction Message-ID: In article , Bill Todd wrote: >John Laird wrote: > >... > > Heads can and do sometimes stick on the >> parking area, and not necessarily in a fatal fashion. > >Excellent point, given that the extremely light-weight arms required for >good seek performance are likely to be considerably more tolerant of >tension than of compression. > >Your sig reminds me of Tom Lehrer, who I'm glad to say is still >irreverently among us but not, unfortunately, still producing his >inimitable music (I think it's been re-released recently, though). > >- bill OT: A 4 CD set, excellent. What height do disk heads fly at these days ? 20 years ago there was a diagram that was widely copied that showed the flying height of the disk head compared to a smoke particle, dust, and the diameter of a human hair, in increasing steps that were nearly an order or magnutude, each. Smoke was too big for the gap. It hasn't been mentioned that while in operation the heads require substantial downward pressure to keep the heads flying at the right height. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:23:27 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Message-ID: <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net> patrick jankowiak wrote: > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%% > Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted. > > Normally would not post for sale but this is special. > > http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html > > Serious inquiries only please. > Replies to this message will not be received. > Contact info is at the URL. > > BR, > OPCOM Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them. History of computing organizations http://vmoc.museophile.org/#orgs Computer History Association of California (CHAC) http://www.chac.org/chac/ Computer History Museum http://www.computerhistory.org/ Computer Museum of America http://www.computer-museum.org/ American Computer Museum http://www.compustory.com/ University of Virginia Computer Science: Computer Museum http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/museum.html University of Amsterdam Computer Museum http://www.science.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/ Blinkenlights Archaeological Institute http://www.blinkenlights.com/ VintageTech http://www.vintagetech.com/ ClassicCmp http://www.classiccmp.org/ Deutsches Museum, München http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm HNF - Heinz Nixdorf MuseumsForum http://www.hnf.de/ MoS | Museum of Science, Boston http://www.tcm.org/ The Retro-Computing Society of RI, Inc. http://www.osfn.org/rcs/ Science Museum - London http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/ The Jefferson Computer Museum http://www.threedee.com/jcm/ Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:53:01 +0100 From: Michael Unger Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Message-ID: <35fbnuF4la9a6U1@individual.net> On 2005-01-22 12:23, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote: > Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many > rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to > find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them. > > [...] > > Deutsches Museum, München > http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > [...] Where did you see _that_ URL?? They ("Deutsches Museum") are of course running their own web server ... Michael -- Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2005 16:10:04 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Message-ID: <35fc6sF4cmbafU1@individual.net> In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>, Keith Cayemberg writes: > > > MoS | Museum of Science, Boston > http://www.tcm.org/ > Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related on thier website. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:47:46 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Message-ID: <41f283b3$0$17619$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> Michael Unger wrote: > On 2005-01-22 12:23, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote: > > >>Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many >>rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to >>find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them. >> >>[...] >> >>Deutsches Museum, München >>http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>[...] > > > Where did you see _that_ URL?? They ("Deutsches Museum") are of course > running their own web server ... > > > > Michael > OOPS! K.C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:52:20 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Message-ID: <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>, > Keith Cayemberg writes: > >> >>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston >>http://www.tcm.org/ >> > > > Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff > including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis > Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related > on thier website. > > bill > Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are discussed in a forum. Thanks Bill. Cheer! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2005 17:09:31 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA Message-ID: <35ffmbF4kopf0U1@individual.net> In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>, Keith Cayemberg writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >> In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>, >> Keith Cayemberg writes: >> >>> >>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston >>>http://www.tcm.org/ >>> >> >> >> Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff >> including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis >> Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related >> on thier website. >> >> bill >> > Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The > Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are > discussed in a forum. > > Thanks Bill. > I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince the University to give me the necessary space. But I really don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-( My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:02:53 +0100 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages Message-ID: <41f1ec8d.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de> mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: > I have lots of data in Oracle that I'd like to be able to graph on web > pages using CSWS but so far after searching this group I don't really > see anything. All I am trying to do is some simple line and bar graphs > with the output to a jpeg file. Is anyone out there doing this on VMS? I've done it (for T4 performace data) in Perl using the GD.pm and GD::Graph modules. There certainly is some module for bar graphs, too. cu, Martin -- | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! Microsoft isn't the Borg: | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de the Borg have proper | http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ networking. | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:01:03 +1030 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages Message-ID: <41f2015a@duster.adelaide.on.net> mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: > I have lots of data in Oracle that I'd like to be able to graph on web > pages using CSWS but so far after searching this group I don't really > see anything. All I am trying to do is some simple line and bar graphs > with the output to a jpeg file. Is anyone out there doing this on VMS? > Thanks. > Bill I've not used it myself but probably worth a look: http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/#gdchart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:42:13 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= Subject: Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages Message-ID: <41f26590$0$25786$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> mcbill20@yahoo.com a écrit : > I have lots of data in Oracle that I'd like to be able to graph on web > pages using CSWS but so far after searching this group I don't really > see anything. All I am trying to do is some simple line and bar graphs > with the output to a jpeg file. Is anyone out there doing this on VMS? > Thanks. > Bill > You can do this using the GDChart library which was ported to VMS. Python for VMS has a build in module gdchart. You can find demonstration on http://vmspython.dyndns.org/ Jean-François ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:45:36 -0000 From: "Alex Daniels" Subject: Re: Marcello predicts 500% perfomance improvement Message-ID: <41f29142$0$13390$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk> "FredK" wrote in message news:M8xHd.6130$226.1652@news.cpqcorp.net... > > The volume is better, even if it isn't the size of the x86 business. HP-UX > is a bigger business than Tru64 was. The UNIX world is shrinking to the > point of only having 2-3 serious vendors HP, IBM and SUN. Of those three, > SUN is the one who has not been able to at least squeek out break even. > POWER and Itanium will be the only 2 surviving RISC architectures. > I thought Itanium was EPIC not RISC ? Alex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:58:28 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS Message-ID: <41f24df5$0$17604$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Keith Cayemberg wrote: > >>The following additional links were provided in a Email distributed by >>Sue... >> >>HP OpenVMS Data Sheet - PDF >>http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5982-9832EN.pdf > > > etc. > > As a suggestion, providing obscure links isn't that great. You should > provide the simple path to click from www.hp.com. Obscure pages that are > not easily seen from the home page doesn't do much to advertise a product. Since I don't work for HP or manage their web pages, I don't necessarily know where, or if, HP has placed these links in web pages. I do think it's better to inform people of these links than keeping them for myself. However, I have accidentally found a page holding the same document as the most mysterious link. Naturally, I can make no guarantee that it's the only web page referencing this document. OpenVMS on HP Integrity servers - resources http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/resources.html Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:27:20 -0500 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS Message-ID: <_IydnUjTPM9I7W_cRVn-oA@metrocastcablevision.com> AEF wrote: ... > Now stop your whining and start helping by writing a polite, friendly, > constructive, to-the-point letter about how hp can make lots of money > by marketing VMS (and any other pro-VMS suggestions) and sending it to > appropriate people at hp. I guess you must be a newbie - in which case perhaps you should get a bit better acquainted with the history of this matter before presuming to criticize. JF was part of a group which spent more than 6 months doing precisely this about 5 years ago. The letter including detailed explanations and concrete proposals went to the then-CEO of Compaq, who was already in discussions with Carly even back then and over the ensuing years had plenty of time to bring her up to speed on the subject before leaving to pursue other interests well after the HP acquisition had completed. It resulted in a personal meeting with Rich Marcello and his senior staff - and Rich is still at HP, and in charge of a good deal more than just VMS these days. When one avenue of approach has been thoroughly explored and found ineffective, it's kind of stupid not to turn to others, at least if you care about the matter in question. Compaq and then HP have more than adequately proved themselves impervious to carrots, and those of us who do in fact care will therefore likely continue to beat them with sticks until they either shape up or die - so you might as well get used to it. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:40:50 GMT From: Ryan Moore Subject: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? Message-ID: Now that 8.2 has been 'officially' released, any chance the 8.2 docs will be posted to the web page? We haven't received our doc updates yet and I would like to see the final release notes and new features manuals at least. Thanks. -Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:52:10 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? Message-ID: <41f2224b$0$17617$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> Ryan Moore wrote: > Now that 8.2 has been 'officially' released, any chance the 8.2 docs > will be posted to the web page? We haven't received our doc updates yet > and I would like to see the final release notes and new features manuals > at least. > > Thanks. > > -Ryan At least the field test docs are still available at... http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os82ft_index.html OpenVMS 8.2 new features and benefits web site http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/v82features.html HP OpenVMS v8.2 new features and infrastructure enhancements - PDF http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/openvms82_features.pdf HP OpenVMS v8.2 SPD - PDF http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/XAV12X/XAV12XPF.PDF I suppose we'll have to wait a little bit yet for the final docs. Cheers'! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:27:10 +0000 (UTC) From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? Message-ID: Hi > > I suppose we'll have to wait a little bit yet for the final docs. Any ideas how long? I mean, is it released or not? I personally refuse to believe that *all* the New Features manual contains (apart from "Yes it runs on Itanium") is a whole lot more C crap so you can more effectively delude yourself that you're really running on your favourite UNIX and don't have to sully yourself with VMS specific functionality and qwerkiness. Is a bigger Lock Value Block really all VMS license payers get for their troubles? How many more years will we continue to have to pay the OPENvms/POSIX/TRU64/VMSisUNIX MOB-Tax? Let VMS thrive on its own revenue! Please!!! Regards Richard Maher "Keith Cayemberg" wrote in message news:41f2224b$0$17617$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net... > Ryan Moore wrote: > > > Now that 8.2 has been 'officially' released, any chance the 8.2 docs > > will be posted to the web page? We haven't received our doc updates yet > > and I would like to see the final release notes and new features manuals > > at least. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -Ryan > > At least the field test docs are still available at... > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os82ft_index.html > > OpenVMS 8.2 new features and benefits web site > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/v82features.html > > HP OpenVMS v8.2 new features and infrastructure enhancements - PDF > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/openvms82_features.pdf > > HP OpenVMS v8.2 SPD - PDF > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/XAV12X/XAV12XPF.PDF > > I suppose we'll have to wait a little bit yet for the final docs. > > Cheers'! > > Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2005 09:05:19 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? Message-ID: In article , "Richard Maher" writes: > Hi >> >> I suppose we'll have to wait a little bit yet for the final docs. > > Any ideas how long? I mean, is it released or not? Nobody has claimed it is shipping. It was announced this week. > Is a bigger Lock Value Block really all VMS license payers get for their > troubles? How many more years will we continue to have to pay the > OPENvms/POSIX/TRU64/VMSisUNIX MOB-Tax? Let VMS thrive on its own revenue! Certainly the big feature is "also runs on Itanium". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:43:58 -0600 From: "Dave Gudewicz" Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 Docs on web page? Message-ID: <_-2dnarRG-tDDW_cRVn-qg@comcast.com> I asked the doc group about v8.2 yesterday from their web page. Waiting for a reply. "Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message news:DRdUmX$4nTQR@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article , "Richard Maher" > writes: >> Hi >>> >>> I suppose we'll have to wait a little bit yet for the final docs. >> >> Any ideas how long? I mean, is it released or not? > > Nobody has claimed it is shipping. It was announced this week. > >> Is a bigger Lock Value Block really all VMS license payers get for their >> troubles? How many more years will we continue to have to pay the >> OPENvms/POSIX/TRU64/VMSisUNIX MOB-Tax? Let VMS thrive on its own revenue! > > Certainly the big feature is "also runs on Itanium". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:10:01 +0100 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS) Message-ID: <41f1ee39.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de> mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: > Hello all. I am trying to enable authentication for some web pages but > am having a problem htpasswd.exe. When I run it I get the following error: > > $ htpasswd -c apache$specific/pass/passwords bmclaughlin > New password: > Re-type new password: > Adding password for user bmclaughlin > dsa0:[sys0.syscommon.apache.][bin]htpasswd.exe;1: unable to update file > apache$specific/pass/passwords > > I don't believe this is a privilege issue because I've checked the > directory permissions and the behavior is exactly the same when I use > bypass. The file gets created and is stream_lf format, but contains > zero blocks. > Any suggestions? The standard unixised VMS file spec is rooted (with a device as the first "path" element) only if it starts with a slash. So, apache$specific/pass/passwords looks for a directory apache$specific, while /apache$specific/pass/passwords looks at the device (or logical name) apache$specific. HTH, Martin -- | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! Cetero censeo | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de Redmondem delendam esse. | http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2005 00:31:21 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS) Message-ID: <1106382681.297436.290910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> The path is not the problem. The behavior is exactly the same using normal VMS notation as well as many variations of the Unix-style path. For example: $ htpasswd -c apache$specific:[pass]passwords bmclaughlin New password: Re-type new password: Adding password for user bmclaughlin dsa0:[sys0.syscommon.apache.][bin]htpasswd.exe;1: unable to update file apache$specific:[pass]passwords Martin Vorlaender wrote: > mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: > > Hello all. I am trying to enable authentication for some web pages but > > am having a problem htpasswd.exe. When I run it I get the following error: > > > > $ htpasswd -c apache$specific/pass/passwords bmclaughlin > > New password: > > Re-type new password: > > Adding password for user bmclaughlin > > dsa0:[sys0.syscommon.apache.][bin]htpasswd.exe;1: unable to update file > > apache$specific/pass/passwords > > > > I don't believe this is a privilege issue because I've checked the > > directory permissions and the behavior is exactly the same when I use > > bypass. The file gets created and is stream_lf format, but contains > > zero blocks. > > Any suggestions? > > The standard unixised VMS file spec is rooted (with a device as the > first "path" element) only if it starts with a slash. > > So, apache$specific/pass/passwords looks for a directory apache$specific, > while /apache$specific/pass/passwords looks at the device (or logical > name) apache$specific. > > HTH, > Martin > -- > | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! > Cetero censeo | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de > Redmondem delendam esse. | http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ > | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:11:47 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Kannan [mailto:kannan.s.viswanathan@oracle.com]=20 > Sent: January 19, 2005 5:55 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM >=20 > I am running a server application that is heavily threaded. It creates > threads to execute some tasks and exits out of the thread=20 > when the task > completes. This happens on a periodic basis at a rate of=20 > probably about > 2 to 4 threads per minute. I find that the application fails in the > pthread_create() call after about 15 to 20 hrs of running=20 > with a return > value of ENOMEM(12). I checked my account quotas and they all seem to > be adequate even at the point of failure. Here's the process quotas > just after the process has failed in the pthread_create() call: > --------------- > Process Quotas: > Account name: 28916 > CPU limit: Infinite Direct I/O limit: 30000 > Buffered I/O byte count quota: 8767744 Buffered I/O limit: 30000 > Timer queue entry quota: 607 Open file quota: 2340 > Paging file quota: 7670192 Subprocess quota: 95 > Default page fault cluster: 64 AST quota: 19994 > Enqueue quota: 8178 Shared file limit: 0 > Max detached processes: 0 Max active jobs: 0 > --------------- >=20 > The MAXTHREADS system parameter on the system is at 256, and I do > observe that the running threads in my process is nowehere near that > number. I instrumented some thread tracking info to keep track of how > many threads are created and deleted. At the point of failure, I > observe that 1810 threads had been created, and 1806 threads had > completed, leaving only 4 threads running. This is also confirmed when > I do a 'show task/all' in my debugger session and all of the 1806 > threads show status 'terminated'. >=20 > My thread stacksize is at 500K. >=20 > Is it possible that this stacksize value might cause the ENOMEM > problem? As I understand it, this is a per-thread stacksize problem, > and shouldn't be a problem with respect to mem availability a long as > my PAGFILQUO is sufficient. >=20 > Any pointers would be appreciated. >=20 >=20 Kannan, What version of OpenVMS are you using? Do you have the latest OS patches applied for that version? Reason for asking is that there were some patches for threads in some of the recent V7.x releases of OpenVMS. With respect to monitoring process quota's (which I assume might also assist with threads), another option that you can use is the OpenVMS Availability Manager. It is a free download from a HP site that among other monitoring capabilities, allows you to monitor *and fix* process resource quotas running on OpenVMS. Can be run from either OpenVMS or Windows servers. Reference: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/index.html (Home page) http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/news.html (Recent news) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:16:46 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: PWS 600au Memory Message-ID: On 21 Jan 2005 13:35:49 -0800, wrote: > I can't say if there is a difference between the PWS 500au and the > 600au, but in my 500au I have 4 Infineon HYS72V32201GR-8-C2 sticks. > They are 256MB PC100 CL2 ECC Registered SDRAM. I picked all four up on > E-bay for $28 each plus shipping ($112 total). I have used the same memory in 433, 500 and 600 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:22:16 +0000 (UTC) From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters Message-ID: David J Dachtera writes in article <41F1ADDB.812C4607@comcast.net> dated Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:35:23 -0600: >rjlolli@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >> Sorry, yes I need the disk to appear to be mounted locally. > >Is the network such that you can have non-routable protocols, even if >they need to be bridged transparently? If so, consider MSCP-serving them >rather than NFS. Can you use MSCP to serve to machines outside a cluster? (Or are you suggesting that he merge his two clusters?) --Keith Lewis klewis {at} mitre.org The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2005 10:51:54 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: using pipes for communication Message-ID: In article <41f121e1$0$3526$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>, Soterro writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> You have posted this to comp.os.vms which has no "dos window". > > And doesn't have a .net environment either, although I think porting one > wouldn't be that difficult (the only two problems would be 1. why bother > and 2. avoiding being hit with large anvils by VMS guys) > Be carefull what you disclaim. HP is working on that one. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:41:41 +0100 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: vms versus solaris Message-ID: <41f1f5a5.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de> JF Mezei wrote: > re: RMS bundled into VMS. > > Perhaps the right approach would be to follow Quicktime. It used to be > included with all MACs. Then Apple realised that to make quicktime > relevant, it had to be available for free to other platforms as well. > > Consider that the vast number of applications that make use of a > database engine could run very easily on simple indexed files, but > theyt go through the more complex DB engine because that is all they > have available. > > If RMS were available for free on Linux, it would give RMS a much > greater profile and allow simple apps to start making use of RMS. I think that role is already taken by Berkeley DB. cu, Martin -- | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! Microsoft's answer | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de to OpenVMS is | http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ Windows NT 10.0. | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:04:42 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: vms versus solaris Message-ID: <41f2172b$0$17612$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> Martin Vorlaender wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > >>re: RMS bundled into VMS. >> >>Perhaps the right approach would be to follow Quicktime. It used to be >>included with all MACs. Then Apple realised that to make quicktime >>relevant, it had to be available for free to other platforms as well. >> >>Consider that the vast number of applications that make use of a >>database engine could run very easily on simple indexed files, but >>theyt go through the more complex DB engine because that is all they >>have available. >> >>If RMS were available for free on Linux, it would give RMS a much >>greater profile and allow simple apps to start making use of RMS. > > > I think that role is already taken by Berkeley DB. > > cu, > Martin Hi Martin, Yes, Berkeley DB does provide a record management service, and to my knowledge it will run on nearly all operating systems, including OpenVMS. However, I do not know of any OS where it is integrated as the default or mandatory universal record management service. In an OS without such an integrated service, no matter how well you or your development team program their record I/O code, it will not protect your data, DB or even your program executables from a user with the privilege to write to your files from mistakingly using a stream I/O utility which corrupts those record-formatted files. Since a universal record management service also handles the default stream file access, this class of errors is "prevented" by an operating system design which ostensibly understands the record format a file was written, and later knows this format when completely different software programmed by people you will never know or meet tries to read or update the file. This is a very significant, (and according to the years-long record in COV) under-appreciated OS quality mechanism which is implemented by the default integration of RMS in OpenVMS. Please see my other postings in this thread for a more complete explanation of the universal (at least for the OS) record management services philosophy, with a few examples. Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:27:03 -0000 From: "Alex Daniels" Subject: Re: vms versus solaris Message-ID: <41f29afb$0$15407$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk> "Bill Gunshannon" wrote in message news:3555ujF4j0dtaU3@individual.net... > No, it's not. ISAM and DBMS are both available on unix. It's just not > the default. And before you you bring up the additional cost of buying > an additional commercial package. What is the difference between VMS > and pretty much any unix, pricewise? Basicly, VMS provides it, wether > you need it or not and makes you pay for it, wether you need it or not. > > bill HP told me this week VMS on Itanium was 717 pounds for FOE. That includes OPENVMS-I64,OPENVMS-USER,DVNETEND,DW-MOTIF,UCX,TDC,DCOM-MIDL,X500-ADMIN-FACI LITY,X500-DIRECTORY-SERVER. I can't see there being much of a RMS tax in that price. Alex ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2005 10:48:42 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: [OT] disk drive spin direction Message-ID: <6cHfj96F4H93@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <05012111022537@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes: >> Which way does a disk drive spin? I vaguely remember hearing something >> about it spinning IN to the heads, unlike a stereo turntable. Do I >> recall right? >> >> Can anyone here answer this authoritatively? And also answer Why? if it >> spins IN to the heads. >> >> Thanks. > > If the drive spins CCW you can make it spin CW by placing it upside down. Most modern drives can run either way, and sideways, too. But I'd like to see you try that with an RP06. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.044 ************************