INFO-VAX Sat, 22 Jan 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 43 Contents: Blast from the past: HP roadmap (workstations) CR11 driver DEC Keyboard Question Re: disk drive spin direction RE: disk drive spin direction Re: disk drive spin direction Re: disk drive spin direction Re: disk drive spin direction Re: GnuPG in batch Graphing software for VMS web pages Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages Re: job anyware? RE: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS Re: New to VMS. Installing Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS) Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM Re: PWS 600au Memory Re: PWS 600au Memory Re: PWS 600au Memory Re: PWS 600au Memory Q: Experience with HBMM ? Re: Q: Experience with HBMM ? Re: SMHANDLER documentation. Re: Source Listings Kit (was: vms versus solaris) Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters Re: using pipes for communication ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:23:31 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Blast from the past: HP roadmap (workstations) Message-ID: <41F1B90C.723B4127@teksavvy.com> Had an old bookmark to an infamous day. Interesting to read though it again, in light of the changes since then. It also spells out very clearly that HP only intends to cvater to the VMS installed base and steer business to HP-UX, and there is still wording about VMS customers adopting HP-UX. (but in a subtle way, not as obvious as the text in the Stallard memo). If you forgot, May 7th 2002 is when the Carly Curly wedding was consumed and the signatures apposed on the merger contracts. http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/07may02b.htm Note the paragraph below: ## Workstations. Decision: We will incorporate the strength of Compaq's Windows NT workstations to form the industry's broadest, most comprehensive product line. HP will continue to drive 64-bit platform leadership for the most demanding applications with today's PA-RISC and upcoming workstations based on the Intel Itanium Processor Family. HP workstations will provide great value across the industry-leading 32- and 64-bit operations system environments: Windows, Linux and HP-UX. ## Sort of explains why the VMS roadmaps don't make mention of X-windows since HP didn't plan to copntinue to offerVMS for systems used as workstations. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:51:43 -0800 From: dundas@caltech.edu (John Dundas) Subject: CR11 driver Message-ID: Does anyone have a copy of the CR11 driver source (CRDRIVER.MAR?) I could view? I would like to see how some error conditions are handled. [I do have a fiche set, just no reader available at present.] Thanks, John ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 21:26:36 -0800 From: johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com Subject: DEC Keyboard Question Message-ID: <1106371596.340763.227240@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> I have a couple of questions about DEC/Compaq/HP keyboards. The first question may make the second one moot but here goes: I have found discussions about various KVM switches and the DEC 108-key keybords and most seem to indicate that they do not mix well except for a few brands/models. Does anyone know if the Avocent Outlook ES series works or doesn't? Also, dispite much Googling and Yahooing I have not been able to find the difference between the LK46W-XX and LK461-XX keyboards. I know they are both 108-key "OpenVMS" style, although I cannot find any keyboard layouts. I have also found in various SOC editions where both are listed as suitable for AlphaServer class machines. I just wonder what the difference was and if it is significant or will either work fine with my OpenVMS boxes. Thank you for your help. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 10:58:09 -0800 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction Message-ID: <1106333889.468370.168270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> David Mathog wrote: > Keith Cayemberg wrote: > > > I have now found a much better description of the "flying magnetic head" > > technology... > > > > http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/op/heads/opHeight.html > > > > Modern drive heads float over the surface of the disk and do all of > > their work without ever physically touching the platters they are > > magnetizing. The amount of space between the heads and the platters is > > called the floating height or flying height. It is also sometimes called > > the head gap, and some hard disk manufacturers refer to the heads as > > riding on an "air bearing". > > Special disk drives or pressured rooms are required at high altitudes or > said "bearings" will fail resulting in a head crash. > > Back to the original question at the start of this thread (clipped out > somewhere along the line), I think the original poster was asking, for > a drive like this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hard_disk_dismantled.jpg > > if you imagine the arm to be a vector, with the arrow pointing > towards the head, then is the disk spinning under the head moving > into the vector or away from it? YES! Thank you for clarifying my question. I did try to be clear. > I don't know the answer to that. However, that air bearing is going to > exert two force vectors on the head. > > 1. The one perpendicular to the disk. This is the air bearing effect. > 2. The one in the plane of the disk, normal to the track where the head > is currently positioned, in the direction the disk is turning. This > one is due to drag from the air layer attached to the suface of > the disk. > > Naively I'd expect it would be easier to maintain arm > stability if that (unit) second vector was in the same direction as the > (unit) arm vector (dot product ~= 1). On the other hand, it might well > be easier to reduce the seek time if that vector was in the > exact opposite direction (dot product ~= -1). There's precedent > for the latter type of design: some modern fighter planes are > intrinsically unstable because it improves maneuverability, > they are only flyable because of constant computer control. > > If I had to bet it would be that the dot product is ~= 1. > > Now I'm curious too. Is it 1 or -1? > > Regards, > > David Mathog Well, I got a broken IDE drive from our help desk. I plugged the SCSI disk power supply from a MicroVAX 3100 Model 80 into the drive and powered it up (I had my safety goggles on, of course ;-) At first the platter just swung slighty back and forth. Then there was a brief pause. Then it sped up CCW, with the direction of the head assembly. So the dot product is very close to 1. I hope there is no difference in the power supply for IDE and SCSI so that my test is valid. For now I'm assuming it is valid. (Correction welcome!) If it were -1, I assume it would be easier to find that out on the Web as it would be contrary to most people's expectations. (And perhaps this is why some responders didn't correctly interpret my question!) So I'm going with +1. I read some of the links provided by Keith and I find that disk drives are truly wonders of technology. Why can't tape drives be even one tenth as good?! (And by "good" here I mean quality-wise, not capacity-wise.) Thanks to the responders and my company's help desk. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 13:01:48 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: RE: disk drive spin direction Message-ID: In article <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D504ADB0D5@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>, "Bochnik, William J" writes: > dont drive heads use the air pressure generated to float over the > platters? if so, the direction must be important... That doesn't follow. You can support the heads with an arm coming from spinward, anti-spinward, axisward, anti-axisward or even from upward and, in every case, the heads can still float on air. There are serious mechanical issues involved with supporting a head on the top of a platter with an arm coming from below the platter. There may be stability issues that can be best addressed by putting the arm to spinward, but there are no insurmountable mechanical issues forcing that choice. Note also that for sufficiently rigid arms, the axis of the arm need not coincide with the axis of the force exerted by that arm. (Idiot opinions from the stereo turntable world notwithstanding) John Briggs ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 20:48:10 GMT From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction Message-ID: In message <35cj5vF4j6g5hU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >Take an old disk. Pullt he cover off. Hook it up to power. >See which way it turns. That's what I do when I get really >curious. Or take a pull hot-swap drive out the cabinet and try flipping it on its back while it is still spinning. If a counter-clockwise torque makes the front go down, then the disk is spinning counter-clockwise. David L. Jones | Phone: (614) 292-6929 Ohio State University | Internet: 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a | jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu Columbus, OH 43210 | vman+@osu.edu Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 20:01:12 -0500 From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction Message-ID: In article <35cjb5F4j6g5hU2@individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon wrote: >In article <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D504ADB0D5@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>, > "Bochnik, William J" writes: >> dont drive heads use the air pressure generated to float over the >> platters? if so, the direction must be important... > >Well, in a bacwards sort of way, just like the record player. The >direction doesn't make any difference but the heads are designed >based on the direction, after the fact. The disk could spin in >either direction as long as the heads matched. > >bill > >-- >Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves >bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. >University of Scranton | >Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include On a turntable, spinning the disk backwards will damage a standard cartridge. Cartridges used by anyone that needs to start a cut at an exact place will "back queue" the disk and use cartridges designed to play backwords. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:43:06 -0500 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: disk drive spin direction Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <1106317466.761380.58690@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > "AEF" writes: ... >>In the case of a stereo turntable, if you spun the record backwards >>(CCW), it wouldn't work too well! I would have thought that the same >>would be true for disk drives, but maybe there is some reason it's >>better to run them "backwards". And if so, I'd like to know, and why. > > > Only because the whole mechanism was designed to spin in that > direction. It could have been designed to spin the other way > fromt he beginning. Gues it depends on whether the original > designer was right or left handed. :-) I don't think it mattered > which way they spin as long as the mechanism was designed based on > that direction. The question is not whether the disk turns clockwise or counter-clockwise (as viewed from whichever side you care to consider 'standard'), but whether the disk turns such that whatever friction (air friction, at a minimum) 'pulls' the heads away from their pivot point (just as is the case with a turntable 'pulling' the needle away from its pivot point) or 'pushes' the heads toward their pivot point. In the case of the turntable it's fairly clear why this orientation is not as good a one: there is a small but definite increase in the wear-and-tear inflicted on the record surface - at least if the needle is oriented perpendicular to it, which will produce the cleanest sound reproduction - because turning 'into' the arm's slightly downward-sloping vertical pivot makes the needle act more like a chisel than turning 'away' from it. Or, to look at it from another angle, the frictional force effectively increases the effective 'weight' of the needle when the platter turns 'toward' the arm's pivot point and effectively decreases it when it turns away whenever the vertical pivot point of the arm is above the surface of the platter, due the the small resulting vertical component of force caused by the application of the horizontal friction component to the slight angle of the arm. Since my impression is that the heads actually rest on the surface of the disk (outside the 'working' area) when the disk has spun down, I suspect that during start-up and slow-down having them 'trail behind' their arm pivot point as viewed from the spinning disk surface (as a record needle does) would be desirable - which would likely also be true should the head ever come into contact with the working area of the disk while it was spinning. But I don't *know* that disks are designed this way. - bill ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 11:09:26 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: GnuPG in batch Message-ID: <1106334566.300719.288260@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> thnaks for the list ... I had to hit every link and dig to finally find documentation that describes batchmode ... and completely different docs to find -z ... nothing was together ... ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 18:00:12 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com Subject: Graphing software for VMS web pages Message-ID: <1106359212.137289.45420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> I have lots of data in Oracle that I'd like to be able to graph on web pages using CSWS but so far after searching this group I don't really see anything. All I am trying to do is some simple line and bar graphs with the output to a jpeg file. Is anyone out there doing this on VMS? Thanks. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:27:16 GMT From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" Subject: Re: Graphing software for VMS web pages Message-ID: mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: > I have lots of data in Oracle that I'd like to be able to graph on web > pages using CSWS but so far after searching this group I don't really > see anything. All I am trying to do is some simple line and bar graphs > with the output to a jpeg file. Is anyone out there doing this on VMS? > Thanks. > Bill > yes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:03:52 -0800 From: Fred Bach Subject: Re: job anyware? Message-ID: <41F1B488.30206@triumf.ca> Spelling needs to be improved. I consider this very important for managers. .. fred bach music at triumf dot ca Ove Axelsson wrote: > I have been system manager at Digital for 10 years > I have also been in charge of approx 80 VMS systems > > Please have a look at my webpage > http://www.abc.se/~m8742/english/abc_eng > any suggestion appreciated. > I am prepared to relocate. > > Regards > Ove ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:44:56 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20 > Sent: January 20, 2005 2:47 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS >=20 > Keith Cayemberg wrote: > >=20 > > The following additional links were provided in a Email=20 > distributed by > > Sue... > >=20 > > HP OpenVMS Data Sheet - PDF > > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5982-9832EN.pdf >=20 > etc. >=20 > As a suggestion, providing obscure links isn't that great. You should > provide the simple path to click from www.hp.com. Obscure=20 > pages that are > not easily seen from the home page doesn't do much to=20 > advertise a product. >=20 JF, Are you saying people prefer "go to home page, click, this, then click that, then click .." vs one click of a given url? Surely that is not what you meant to say .. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:34:48 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS Message-ID: <41F1837B.B6336289@teksavvy.com> "Main, Kerry" wrote: > Are you saying people prefer "go to home page, click, this, then click > that, then click .." vs one click of a given url? > > Surely that is not what you meant to say .. That is exactly what I meant to say. If the VMS documents are hidden under layers and layers of menus and pages that recommend Windows XP Professional, then they are not ADVERTISING nor MARKLETING of VMS, they are just hidden resources that can be used by those who know they exist AND who dare buck the system and push VMS solutions. This past week, the HP.COM home page should have been plastered with "new and improved" signs for VMS pointing to all those documents. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 18:19:25 -0800 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS Message-ID: <1106360365.307741.133890@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> JF Mezei wrote: > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > Are you saying people prefer "go to home page, click, this, then click > > that, then click .." vs one click of a given url? > > > > Surely that is not what you meant to say .. > > That is exactly what I meant to say. > > If the VMS documents are hidden under layers and layers of menus and > pages that recommend Windows XP Professional, then they are not > ADVERTISING nor MARKLETING of VMS, they are just hidden resources that > can be used by those who know they exist AND who dare buck the system > and push VMS solutions. Well, let's see: (my apologies if the new Google groups botches the careful formatting I did) url or link what it is ----------- ---------- www.hp.com no XP there, or any other OS for that matter Software Products no XP here either! And VMS is just as prominent on this page as any other OS. In fact, VMS is listed twice. www.hp.com home page, no XP or any other OS Join now launch page. No mention of XP or any other OS except to Enterprise Web evolve from Sun. Event New Products 3 columns containing 4 sections. The second section is entitled More Choice: HP OpenVMS. NO OTHER OS GETS THIS BILLING IN THIS "WEB EVENT". Click its only link, "HP OpenVMS 8.2 on Integrity servers" and you are in VMS-only space. The other OSes are all lumped together in the fourth section whilst VMS proudly stands on its own in its own section! Hardly layers and layers AND NOT ONE MENTION OF HP RECOMMENDS XP. Yes, it did say that somewhere before but it appears to be gone now. Now stop your whining and start helping by writing a polite, friendly, constructive, to-the-point letter about how hp can make lots of money by marketing VMS (and any other pro-VMS suggestions) and sending it to appropriate people at hp. It seems like you are more interested in complaining than helping. Re Keith's 3 new links, which he got from Sue, the third one is under the whitepapers link on the main VMS page, which is not buried under layers and layers... OK, I haven't found the other two yet (starting from www.hp.com). But still, VMS isn't really that obscure on www.hp.com. And of all the OSes it seems to me that it did get top billing (compared to other hp OSes) on the "Web event". > This past week, the HP.COM home page should have been plastered with > "new and improved" signs for VMS pointing to all those documents. Hmmm. That would have been nice. But I think nothing short of hp plastering every square inch of the earth with VMS ads, combined with destroying all of their company except for VMS, will please you. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 22:03:35 -0800 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: New and Refreshed Advertising Colateral for OpenVMS Message-ID: <1106373815.667109.50080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> AEF wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: [...] > Well, let's see: (my apologies if the new Google groups botches the > careful formatting I did) > > url or link what it is > ----------- ---------- > www.hp.com no XP there, or any other OS for that matter > > Software Products no XP here either! And VMS is just as prominent on > this > page as any other OS. In fact, VMS is listed twice. > > www.hp.com home page, no XP or any other OS > > Join now launch page. No mention of XP or any other OS except > to > Enterprise Web evolve from Sun. > Event I missed one more link here. You need to click the "HTML version" link or the video version link to take you to the page with the New Products link described below. > > New Products 3 columns containing 4 sections. The second section > is > entitled More Choice: HP OpenVMS. NO OTHER OS GETS > THIS BILLING IN THIS "WEB EVENT". Click its only link, "HP OpenVMS 8.2 > on Integrity servers" and you are in VMS-only space. The other OSes are > all lumped together in the fourth section whilst VMS proudly stands on > its own in its own section! > > Hardly layers and layers AND NOT ONE MENTION OF HP RECOMMENDS XP. Yes, > it did say that somewhere before but it appears to be gone now. > [...] sorry for the goof &-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:32:59 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: New to VMS. Installing Message-ID: <41F1AD4B.8F2E7D27@comcast.net> Marc Holmes wrote: > > Thank You. > > I was able to get further in the install. I am installing 7.3 > from the hobbyist CD. My knowledge isn't great so I am moving > along slowly. I tried LINUX 7 or 8 yrs ago so this is something > fun since vax equipment is still available cheaply. So, if I understand you correctly, you're trying to install OpenVMS-VAX V7.3 onto some VAX machine using a Sony CD-ROM. Understand that VAX gear has been out of development for quite some time now. Most VAX SCSI support is narrow devices only, so most of what you'll be playing with is a bit old. Best to stay with the narrow SCSI Toshibas if you can't get something DEC badged. Small Alphas are also quite affordable (though not necessarily "dirt cheap" unless you can find a bargain on eBay or the like). That givces you more leeway and better support of newer CD devices, not to mention DVD drive support. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 17:57:34 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com Subject: Problem with htpasswd.exe in Apache (CSWS) Message-ID: <1106359053.975809.34190@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Hello all. I am trying to enable authentication for some web pages but am having a problem htpasswd.exe. When I run it I get the following error: $ htpasswd -c apache$specific/pass/passwords bmclaughlin New password: Re-type new password: Adding password for user bmclaughlin dsa0:[sys0.syscommon.apache.][bin]htpasswd.exe;1: unable to update file apache$specific/pass/passwords I don't believe this is a privilege issue because I've checked the directory permissions and the behavior is exactly the same when I use bypass. The file gets created and is stream_lf format, but contains zero blocks. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:33:54 GMT From: Jim Duff Subject: Re: pthread_create() call returning ENOMEM Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <4s_Hd.8244$8u5.6001@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Jim Duff writes: > >[snipage] >> >>I suggest that you look at the Visual Threads package that ships free >>with OpenVMS 7.3 and above. >> >>Look here for details: http://tinyurl.com/4lg97 >> >>Jim. >>-- >>jim AT eight DASH cubed DOT com > > > > I've not used this but I assume you have. The URL you provided show > downloads for VMS, Tru-64 and HP-UX. However, the graphic showing it > in action is a PeeCee display. Can this run standalong on VMS??? > > It's a java display. Runs on VMS just fine. -- jim AT eight DASH cubed DOT com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:10:22 -0500 From: Carl Friedberg Subject: Re: PWS 600au Memory Message-ID: <890539d9050121111054ce71d6@mail.gmail.com> Dan, You might try HP, sometimes their prices are surpringsly reasonable. Otherwise, Dataram has an excellent track record on Alpha memory IMHO. For AlphaServer 800's, I have been sent to a 3rd party for used memory from the HP website, but that is used memory, 3rd party, but with lifetime warranty. Not cheap -- IIRC it is around $99 for a 256mb DIMM WWW.SATECH.COM Carl Friedberg Comet & Company www.comets.com On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:39:34 -0700, Dan O'Reilly wrote: > Anybody have a good supplier for this? I would prefer a non-Digital > source, don't want to pay several hundred $$$ for $50 worth of memory. > I'm looking for at least 256MB, 512MB would be better. > > Thanks! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:19:00 -0700 From: Dan O'Reilly Subject: Re: PWS 600au Memory Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050121131815.022ac958@raptor.psccos.com> Thanks. I understand what I need is 168-pin ECC PC100 3.3V SDRAM. But I find references to "registered" and not. What's the difference, and which should I use? At 12:10 PM 1/21/2005, Carl Friedberg wrote: >Dan, > >You might try HP, sometimes their prices are surpringsly reasonable. > >Otherwise, Dataram has an excellent track record on Alpha memory IMHO. > >For AlphaServer 800's, I have been sent to a 3rd party for used memory >from the HP website, but that is used memory, 3rd party, but with >lifetime warranty. Not cheap -- IIRC it is around $99 for a 256mb DIMM > >WWW.SATECH.COM > >Carl Friedberg >Comet & Company >www.comets.com > >On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:39:34 -0700, Dan O'Reilly wrote: > > Anybody have a good supplier for this? I would prefer a non-Digital > > source, don't want to pay several hundred $$$ for $50 worth of memory. > > I'm looking for at least 256MB, 512MB would be better. > > > > Thanks! > > ------ +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | | Process Software | and those who don't." | | http://www.process.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 13:35:49 -0800 From: johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com Subject: Re: PWS 600au Memory Message-ID: <1106343349.138898.267650@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Dan O'Reilly wrote: > Thanks. I understand what I need is 168-pin ECC PC100 3.3V SDRAM. But > I find references to "registered" and not. What's the difference, and which > should I use? > Dan, I can't say if there is a difference between the PWS 500au and the 600au, but in my 500au I have 4 Infineon HYS72V32201GR-8-C2 sticks. They are 256MB PC100 CL2 ECC Registered SDRAM. I picked all four up on E-bay for $28 each plus shipping ($112 total). Registered means that there is a buffer chip in between the memory chips and the memory bus. Apparently it reduces the load on the bus. BTW, don't be tempted to fill all 6 slots with 256MB sticks. From information gleaned from c.o.v. VMS will boot and run with 1.5GB of memory, but the upper .5GB is prone to errors and crashes. I'm happy with my 1GB. Now if I can just find a 2MB or 4MB cache card... (A guy on Ebay had 2MB ones for $49.95 but I missed the auction :( ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:47:08 +0000 (UTC) From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: PWS 600au Memory Message-ID: In article <6.1.2.0.2.20050121131815.022ac958@raptor.psccos.com>, Dan O'Reilly writes: >Thanks. I understand what I need is 168-pin ECC PC100 3.3V SDRAM. But >I find references to "registered" and not. What's the difference, and which >should I use? Mine are Registered (for my PWS433au) original COMPAQ (from Infineon). I bought 2x128MB for 3.06 (+18.- Transport !) at EBAY from a reseller. Higher density SIMMs cost more money per MB, but don't pay too much... YMMV -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:36:46 -0800 From: Ken Fairfield Subject: Q: Experience with HBMM ? Message-ID: Does anyone have experience with HBMM (Host-Based Mini-Merge) in a PRODUCTION environment? In particular, have you had a crash or other "incident" in a production environment which led to HBMM's, and if so, how long did each volume take to merge and was there any noticable performance impact (other than the crashing system) to the systems doing the merges? We have HBMM installed in one environment which has a large-ish disk farm, but not a large I/O load. I've tested HBMM in the test environment by crashing one of the cluster nodes, and I expect the production version to act essentially the same. However, we're about to upgrade another environment which _is_ I/O intensive and the application can be fairly sensitive to system performance. In a tightly controlled test environment, we saw next to no application impact from HBMM, but we know that test environment is just a simulation and doesn't adequately reflect what we see in the real production environment. Therefore, I'd like to hear whether anyone else out there has real production experience with HBMM. Our clusters are VMS 7.3-1 plus VMS731_HBMM-V0100 (and most current ECOs) running on ES40's with 4xEV68 833MHz CPUs, 8GB of memory, and dual KGPSA's through Brodades to HSG80 storage controllers. Thanks, Ken -- I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me... Ken Fairfield D1C Automation VMS System Support who: kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2005 00:42:06 -0500 From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) Subject: Re: Q: Experience with HBMM ? Message-ID: Ken Fairfield writes: > Does anyone have experience with HBMM (Host-Based Mini-Merge) > in a PRODUCTION environment? > > Our clusters are VMS 7.3-1 plus VMS731_HBMM-V0100 . . . Before anyone asks -- HBMM is available on V7.3-1 only to a select few customers. It's not generally available. If you are interested in HBMM, please upgrade to V7.3-2 and look for the latest V7.3-2 UPDATE kit. HBMM is integrated into the V8.2 releases for both Alpha and I64. I'm also interested in any replies (good or bad) to Ken's question! -- Rob Brooks VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:24:14 GMT From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: SMHANDLER documentation. Message-ID: In article , newton_l@encompasserve.org (Lawrence Newton) wrote: >The release notes for VMS7.3-2 (paragraph 4.19) give a very short explanation >of SMHANDLER, Server Management Process, and that it starts automatically. > >Can someone point me to more complete documentation for SMHANDLER?? That release note is all that's available publicly. Are you looking for some specific information? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:04:45 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Source Listings Kit (was: vms versus solaris) Message-ID: <00A3E34A.9FDD0F3D@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , John Reagan writes: >Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> In article , Mark Schafer writes: >> >>>Product No Desc >>>BA422AA HP OpenVMS I64 Source List LTU and Media >> >> >> Since the media suffix is -AA rather than -E8, does that mean it will >> be coming on something other than CDROM ? >> > >No, it just means the HP part number scheme is totally different than >the Digital/Compaq 2-5-2 scheme. > > >-- >John Reagan >HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader >Hewlett-Packard Company Will the HP OpenVMS I64 Source Listings be covered under existing Source Listings license requiring only a purchase of the subscription or will HP bilk me outta more money? -- http://www.ProvN.com for the *best* OpenVMS system security solutions that others only claim to be. -- Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.: The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ------------------------------ Date: 21 JAN 2005 19:06:44 GMT From: Dave Greenwood Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters Message-ID: <21JAN05.19064424@feda01.fed.ornl.gov> In a previous article, rjlolli@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Sorry, yes I need the disk to appear to be mounted locally. But you haven't said what you've tried or how it failed. That said, I've never used the TCPIP stack, but I do use MultiNet for VMS<->VMS nfs activity. Basically you set up the server as if its client is a Unix box, and then set up the client as if its server is also a Unix box. In particular, you need to get the VMS UIC to Unix uid/gid translations right at both ends. Dave -------------- Dave Greenwood Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV Oak Ridge National Lab %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:30:16 -0500 From: David R. Beatty Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters Message-ID: On 21 Jan 2005 08:41:47 -0800, rjlolli@sbcglobal.net wrote: >I have been struggling for weeks on trying to mount a disk on one vms >cluster to another using TCPIP NFS. Does anyone know how to set this >up? Most of the posts I see explain how to do it between UNIX and VMS, >but never VMS to VMS. Someone suggessted once to use DECdfs, but >unfortunately I cannot purchase this software at this time. Thanks for >your help. Something like this: Server 1. Enable NFS server (from TCPIP$CONFIG) 2. Add a hosts entry for the client, see TCPIP SET HOST 3. Map drive to path, see TCPIP MAP and SET CONFIG MAP 4. Export path, see TCPIP EXPORT 5. Add NFS proxies for users using this access, see ADD PROXY Client 1. Enable NFS client (from TCPIP$CONFIG) 2. Add a hosts entry for the server 3. Add NFS proxies for users using this access 4. Mount the file system, see TCPIP MOUNT When you create your proxies, you will need a UID/GID pair to map the proxy to. You need to make sure the UID/GID pair are the same on both the server and client. The proxies will be the time consuming part of this exercise. David Beatty ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2005 14:08:15 -0800 From: rjlolli@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters Message-ID: <1106345295.080412.44050@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Thanks guys, I finally got it working. The secret is when you create the proxy on the server and assign it the /uid and /gid. You need to make sure on the mount command on the client server you pass the parameters /uid and /gid so they match up. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:35:23 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: TCPIP NFS between 2 VMS clusters Message-ID: <41F1ADDB.812C4607@comcast.net> rjlolli@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > Sorry, yes I need the disk to appear to be mounted locally. Is the network such that you can have non-routable protocols, even if they need to be bridged transparently? If so, consider MSCP-serving them rather than NFS. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:37:05 GMT From: "Norm Dresner" Subject: Re: using pipes for communication Message-ID: <5CeId.62797$w62.51544@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> "el7akika" wrote in message news:71545275.0501210100.412e1699@posting.google.com... > hi > > i want to communicate between simulator1 and simulator2 > > I use pipes, but, um, it doesn't seem to work right. > Another programmer and I each wrote a program that forms a cooperative system. The two programs communicate in both directions IIRC via a named pipe and the system works just fine. But it's limited to Win2K and later systems. Norm ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.043 ************************