INFO-VAX Sun, 16 Jan 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 31 Contents: *CASH*CASH*CASH* Re: ACMS and XML Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot Re: HP and SAP Re: Installing OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha on a 600a Workstation problems Re: Installing OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha on a 600a Workstation problems Re: Installing OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha on a 600a Workstation problems Re: Installing OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha on a 600a Workstation problems J F kooks out again J F kooks out again Re: J F kooks out again new.com article about OpenVMS v8.2 Re: new.com article about OpenVMS v8.2 OpenVMS 8.2 Itanium emulator? TCP/IP on OpenVMS 7.3 Re: TCP/IP on OpenVMS 7.3 Re: VMS in Semiconductors Re: VMS in Semiconductors Re: VMS in Semiconductors Re: vms versus solaris Re: vms versus solaris Re: vms versus solaris Re: [OT] To Paul Sture ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Jan 2005 22:10:05 -0800 From: "NeoTycoon" Subject: *CASH*CASH*CASH* Message-ID: <1105855805.592098.190500@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Neo Tech Party Administration *CASH*CASH*CASH* Posted By: B (205.188.197.157) Date: 01/02/05 Turn $6.00 into $42,000...read this to find out how!!! READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE! I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of cash within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam", but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured: "what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right?" Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!!... within 7 days, I started getting cash in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the cash just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works....Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as you need it. I promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more cash than you thought possible by doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (print it out or download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the cash come in! It's easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage) IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! If all of the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive extraordinary dividends. PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business your product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the cash made from the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people like you and me asking to be included in that list. Here are the 4 easy steps to success: STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: 1) Nathan Gilreath 6049 Porter Ave. East Lansing, MI 48823 2) Beth Collins 1012 Woodbine Ave., Toronto, Ontario M4C 4C1 3) Melody McKinley 8 Huntingdon Drive Dartmouth, Nova Scotia B2V 1w1 4) C. Witt 12 Pine ST. Attleboro, MA 02703 5) Ben Ervin 1281 Cadillac Dr. Hamilton, OH 45013 6) D J Kelly 661 powell st apt # 3 Brooklyn Ny 11212 STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more cash you make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you need cash, you can use it again, and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of integrity, the program will continue and the cash that so many others have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of cash in CASH!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own name to the list and you're in business! ---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS------------ Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory. Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list. Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to go back to. Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click the post message button. You're done with your first one! Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE Cash YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin receiving cash from around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625.00! With an original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is: do you realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the internet and reading these articles everyday?, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so... People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the cash? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will really work. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:52:42 GMT From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" Subject: Re: ACMS and XML Message-ID: ed.peterson@acs-inc.com wrote: > > We are running a COBOL/ACMS/Rdb application that was originally written > > What are our options? > My first reaction to your situation was "How many layers are you using?". Have you looked at FastCGI? It sounds as if your applications already can take data a screen at a time instead of a field at a time and that is the major change needed to get existing VMS application to be accessed from a web browser. An Apache/Linux front end will easily run a year or so between boots and when the back end changes, all you do is start another back end process and it will take over from the previous one without any disruption. Jeff Coffield ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:02:20 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot Message-ID: <34tsnkF4f66fiU1@individual.net> Richard Brodie wrote: > wrote in message > news:1105489135.370330.5170@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > >>Was it Mark Twain who said that there were three kinds of statistics - >>lies, lies and Damn Lies? > > > A tricky question: Twain himself attributed the quotation to the British > PM Benjamin Disraeli but there is no primary source for this. He might > have misremembered, or just invented the quote. > > And Twain's attribution is itself explored at http://www1c.btwebworld.com/quote-unquote/p0000149.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:17:10 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: HP and SAP Message-ID: <34ttjeF4gr6obU1@individual.net> Jan van Mastbergen wrote: > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:1105466886.5a6aaddce3cce78e9c7c6aa1680b88e2@teranews... > >>John Smith wrote: >> >>>I was flipping through a magazine this moning and came across an ad from > > SAP > >>>which was extolling the benefits of the SAP application has provided to > > HP > >>>in their recent SAP conversion. >> >>Funny that you went to the "if SAP ran on VMS". To me, my initial > > reactions > >>was: considering that SAP costed HP a lot of money in lost sales, it is >>interesting that SAP would dare advertise HP as a customer since they are > > not > >>exactly a success story for SAP implementation. > > > That is not so strange. Most SAP implementations are long and painful > excercises. > Rather than limitations in the software, the key question is 'How to eat a > dinosaur?' > One bite at a time, of course or you'll have an indigestion. > Btw and even more OT, here are some SAP nicknames that crossed my path > recently: > Sorge, Aerger un Probleme > Sanduhranzeigeprogramm > Software aus Polen > > Any more? Jan van Mastbergen > > Schweiss, Angst, Panik (German for: Sweat, Fear, Panic) Selber Alles Programmieren (German for: Self Everything Program) See http://neil.franklin.ch/Jokes_and_Fun/Acronym_Interpretations for a selection of acronyms for other products - particularly like the following: MCSE Meine Computerkenntisse Sind Erbaermlich (German for: My Computer knowledge Is Pitiful) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:01:24 +0000 (UTC) From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Installing OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha on a 600a Workstation problems Message-ID: In article <9L6dnX72N4YzJXXcRVn-qA@inreach.com>, John Hixson writes: > A while ago I purchased an alpha 433au and installed openvms on it, >however, the motherboard was bad and I kept having problems with it >crashing. Was it surely the motherboard or else the memory perhaps ? And do use the same memory on the PWS600 then ? Or do you like to test if the cache module is the problem (remove it for a while and live with a worse performance) ? >The guy went ahead and sent me a new motherboard and it turns >out the board is a 600a board with alphabios on it. When I update the >firmware, it states it has SRM v7.2.1 on it, however, I am unable to >load the SRM console. V7.2-1 is still current for the PWS and sufficient for the latest VMS version. http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/archive/digitalpw.html > I set in the alphabios advanced CMOS settings to >use the OpenVMS SRM Console and it doesn't switch. I save the settings >and reboot, and it still doesn't go into SRM. You need to repower the system. A save settings is not sufficient. > I look at the system >config and it appears that SRM is not on the machine. Where does then this V7.2-1 figure come from ? There once were half flashed AlphaStations (like half of the 200 family) which couldn't hold SRM and ARC (name of the AlphaBIOS on the AlphaStations) at the same time. You had to reflash them for switching the opsys. I never heard that the PWS had such configurations. But if it is the case (which\ I still doubt) then there is a way to get SRM into it. Read on the website (URL above) and in VMS FAQ (URL below). > I do not want to >run windows NT On this damn box, I want to run OpenVMS and learn it but >this is proving to be a pain in the ass. Can anybody here give me some >guidance as to how I can proceed to use OpenVMS? http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:18:11 -0800 From: John Hixson Subject: Re: Installing OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha on a 600a Workstation problems Message-ID: <4NCdnVqAad4IFXTcRVn-sg@inreach.com> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > In article <9L6dnX72N4YzJXXcRVn-qA@inreach.com>, John Hixson writes: > >> A while ago I purchased an alpha 433au and installed openvms on it, >>however, the motherboard was bad and I kept having problems with it >>crashing. > > > Was it surely the motherboard or else the memory perhaps ? > And do use the same memory on the PWS600 then ? > Or do you like to test if the cache module is the problem (remove it for > a while and live with a worse performance) ? > Yep, was definitly the motherboard, or something on it. > >>The guy went ahead and sent me a new motherboard and it turns >>out the board is a 600a board with alphabios on it. When I update the >>firmware, it states it has SRM v7.2.1 on it, however, I am unable to >>load the SRM console. > I was finally able to get into the SRM console. This was due to lack of knowledge on my part. I had to simply press the reset button rather than do a reboot to enter SRM. However, SRM would fail machine check (this is on the new motherboard - the 600a board). > > V7.2-1 is still current for the PWS and sufficient for the latest VMS version. > http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/archive/digitalpw.html > > >> I set in the alphabios advanced CMOS settings to >>use the OpenVMS SRM Console and it doesn't switch. I save the settings >>and reboot, and it still doesn't go into SRM. > > > You need to repower the system. A save settings is not sufficient. > > >> I look at the system >>config and it appears that SRM is not on the machine. > > > Where does then this V7.2-1 figure come from ? > There once were half flashed AlphaStations (like half of the 200 family) > which couldn't hold SRM and ARC (name of the AlphaBIOS on the AlphaStations) > at the same time. You had to reflash them for switching the opsys. I never > heard that the PWS had such configurations. But if it is the case (which\ > I still doubt) then there is a way to get SRM into it. Read on the website > (URL above) and in VMS FAQ (URL below). > > >> I do not want to >>run windows NT On this damn box, I want to run OpenVMS and learn it but >>this is proving to be a pain in the ass. Can anybody here give me some >>guidance as to how I can proceed to use OpenVMS? > > > http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq > =). I'm not quite sure what the hardware is, however there is a peice of hardware right next to the cpu and I took the module from the 600a board and replaced it on the 433au board, and everything seems to be fine so far. The system still blinks the led's several times and the screen blinks several times while booting, but OpenVMS boots now and everything appears to be functioning. Now I am a complete novice with OpenVMS and I am reading all the FAQ'S and stuff. Currently I am trying to get TCP/IP functioning so I can just login over telnet or ssh. Thank you guys for helping out once again =). - John Hixson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:23:22 -0500 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: Installing OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha on a 600a Workstation problems Message-ID: <41E989CA.7010203@tsoft-inc.com> John Hixson wrote: > Hi guys, > A while ago I purchased an alpha 433au and installed openvms on it, > however, the motherboard was bad and I kept having problems with it > crashing. The guy went ahead and sent me a new motherboard and it turns > out the board is a 600a board with alphabios on it. When I update the > firmware, it states it has SRM v7.2.1 on it, however, I am unable to > load the SRM console. I set in the alphabios advanced CMOS settings to > use the OpenVMS SRM Console and it doesn't switch. I save the settings > and reboot, and it still doesn't go into SRM. I look at the system > config and it appears that SRM is not on the machine. I do not want to > run windows NT On this damn box, I want to run OpenVMS and learn it but > this is proving to be a pain in the ass. Can anybody here give me some > guidance as to how I can proceed to use OpenVMS? > > Thanks, > John Hixson You started with a 433au, and then got a 600a board. The au is supported by VMS. The a varity is a bit different, but I'm not real knowledgable about the differences. I think it's the SCSI support. Peter mentioned memory. I'd definitely try the 433 with one module pulled out, and swapping them until you determine whether one is bad. If more than one is bad, this won't work. Possibly you could get the seller to provide an 'au' board? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:49:17 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Installing OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha on a 600a Workstation problems Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:18:11 -0800, John Hixson wrote: > =). > I'm not quite sure what the hardware is, however there is a peice of > hardware right next to the cpu and I took the module from the 600a board > and replaced it on the 433au board, and everything seems to be fine so > far. The system still blinks the led's several times and the screen > blinks several times while booting, but OpenVMS boots now and > everything appears to be functioning. Now I am a complete novice with > OpenVMS and I am reading all the FAQ'S and stuff. Currently I am trying > to get TCP/IP functioning so I can just login over telnet or ssh. > Thank you guys for helping out once again =). > Very likely you ca rest the dip switches to run the 433 at 600 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2005 23:13:33 -0000 From: There You Go Again J F Subject: J F kooks out again Message-ID: Nine foaming-at-the-mouth anti-USA rants (and counting) in a space of about two short hours. JF, are you off your meds again??? It is obvious that your hatred of the United States is rooted in jealousy. You are rabid in your attacks against the USA yet you can't seem to talk or think about anything else. It consumes you. Why are you so obsessed with the USA? You don't live there, you don't travel there (you don't seem to travel anywhere), yet you spend your entire waking life reading about the USA, watching American television from across the border, and raving like a lunatic against the USA and all things American. Have you considered suicide? Seriously, it would put you out of your misery. http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=bush&safe=images&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_uauthors=nobody&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=bush&safe=images&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_uauthors=nobody&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=usa&safe=images&as_uauthors=jf%20mezei&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=bush&safe=images&as_uauthors=jf%20mezei&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2005 23:39:19 -0000 From: There You Go Again J F Subject: J F kooks out again Message-ID: Nine foaming-at-the-mouth anti-USA rants (and counting) in a space of about two short hours. JF, are you off your meds again??? It is obvious that your hatred of the United States is rooted in jealousy. You are rabid in your attacks against the USA yet you can't seem to talk or think about anything else. It consumes you. Why are you so obsessed with the USA? You don't live there, you don't travel there (you don't seem to travel anywhere), yet you spend your entire waking life reading about the USA, watching American television from across the border, and raving like a lunatic against the USA and all things American. Have you considered suicide? Seriously, it would put you out of your misery. http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=bush&safe=images&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_uauthors=nobody&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=bush&safe=images&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_uauthors=nobody&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=usa&safe=images&as_uauthors=jf%20mezei&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=bush&safe=images&as_uauthors=jf%20mezei&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 03:35:23 GMT From: "Gregory Morrow" Subject: Re: J F kooks out again Message-ID: <%hlGd.7735$C52.4771@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> There You Go Again J F wrote: > Nine foaming-at-the-mouth anti-USA rants (and counting) in a space of about two short hours. > > JF, are you off your meds again??? > > It is obvious that your hatred of the United States is rooted in jealousy. > You are rabid in your attacks against the USA yet you can't seem to talk > or think about anything else. It consumes you. > > Why are you so obsessed with the USA? You don't live there, you don't travel there > (you don't seem to travel anywhere), yet you spend your entire waking life reading > about the USA, watching American television from across the border, and raving > like a lunatic against the USA and all things American. > > Have you considered suicide? Seriously, it would put you out of your misery. > > http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=bush&safe=images&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_uauthors=nobody&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en > > http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=bush&safe=images&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_uauthors=nobody&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en > > http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=usa&safe=images&as_uauthors=jf%20mezei&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en > > http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_q=bush&safe=images&as_uauthors=jf%20mezei&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en > And poor JF is also a French - Canuck, a group that is the trailor trash of North America... Maybe JF is foaming at the mouth because his phimosis is acting up again...he needs to have his maman take a cleaver to that pesky foreskin! -- Best Greg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:04:16 -0600 From: "Dave Gudewicz" Subject: new.com article about OpenVMS v8.2 Message-ID: <3P-dnRVKDKTDDnTcRVn-tA@comcast.com> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5537046.html?type=pt&part=inv&tag=feed&subj=news ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:19:01 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: new.com article about OpenVMS v8.2 Message-ID: <41E9EB33.693DFBD5@teksavvy.com> Dave Gudewicz wrote: > > http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5537046.html?type=pt&part=inv&tag=feed&subj=news Interesting paragraph: >But presumably, HP did the math and decided the investment was worthwhile--unlike the conclusion >it reached with its largely phased-out HP 3000 line. The OpenVMS business was profitable in 2003, >but HP declined to state whether it is today, citing investor regulations. Another example of HP finding excuses for not talking about VMS. Funny how those same investor regulations require HP to divulge plenty of information about wintel shipments and profitability (or lack thereof). >OpenVMS 8.2 supports clusters of as many as 16 machines--up to eight Alpha-based and up to eight >Itanium-based in the same group, a source familiar with the software said. It is a real shame that they've downgraded the clustering from 96 nodes on VAX/Alpha to just 16 nodes and an even greater shame that they are touting the 16 nodes now. (I know that they will up the number later on, but nobody will notice that because it won't make the splash). HP should reall;y be touting the 96 node number TODAY, with perhaps just an asterix pointing to fine print saying that on IA64 it is limited to 16 nodes). >HP also is expected to introduce per-processor licensing for OpenVMS, letting customers pay for >the amount of computing horsepower they're using instead of today's pricing based on the >capability of the entire system. While in the short rterm this may be interesting, it sort of goes against the industry trend outside of HP to remove per-processor pricing due to the onslaught of dual core CPUs used instead of higher Mhz rates. Also, there wasn't really the need to mention there are only 250 applciations available on IA64-VMS versus 3000 on other IA64 based OS. It is good that they would put a 2 page article on VMS. But they certaintly didn't put a terrific spin on it. HP should have been far more forthcoming to ensure the article had a far more positive spin to it. This article, combined with Sue's request for secrecy is an indication to me that HP isn't setting the stage for a big VMS-related splash on the 18th. As the CNET article stated, the thurst of the Jan 18th announcement will be the new IA64 chips. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:11:40 GMT From: "Marco" Subject: OpenVMS 8.2 Itanium emulator? Message-ID: Is there some kind of Intel x86 Itanium emulator for running OpenVMS 8.2? Seems my ISP has expired articles beyond December 30th, 2004, and I can't seem to find the right combo of words to find anything at www.deja.com. Can anyone help me out with a quick answer? Marco ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:29:57 -0800 From: John Hixson Subject: TCP/IP on OpenVMS 7.3 Message-ID: Hi again guys, I got my openvms system up and running and I also have an openvms hobbyist license. I did not get the license by purchasing a CD, I got it by email after sighning up with decus. I would like to get TCP/IP services on my machine. Currently I connect through minicom over a serial line. I seem to not be able to run decnet or tcpip without a license. I haven't been able to find any information on this either. Is there a hobbyist like license for openvms that would allow me to run these services? Am I barking up the wrong tree? I attempted to get a multinet license but it says my checksum is invalid, which I dont understand unless im entering in the wrong information. EVen if I were to get multinet, Im not sure how I would get it on the box. Thanks again, John Hixson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:54:37 -0500 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: TCP/IP on OpenVMS 7.3 Message-ID: <41E9F38D.70207@tsoft-inc.com> John Hixson wrote: > Hi again guys, > I got my openvms system up and running and I also have an openvms > hobbyist license. I did not get the license by purchasing a CD, I got it > by email after sighning up with decus. I would like to get TCP/IP > services on my machine. Currently I connect through minicom over a > serial line. I seem to not be able to run decnet or tcpip without a > license. I haven't been able to find any information on this either. Is > there a hobbyist like license for openvms that would allow me to run > these services? Am I barking up the wrong tree? I attempted to get a > multinet license but it says my checksum is invalid, which I dont > understand unless im entering in the wrong information. EVen if I were > to get multinet, Im not sure how I would get it on the box. > > Thanks again, > John Hixson You get the hobbyist licenses for other products the same place you got the VMS license. You need to ask for both. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:01:19 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors Message-ID: <41E9687E.C05573B7@teksavvy.com> David B Sneddon wrote: > Unlikely, since I have never been to the site before. > I just clicked on the above link. A few theories: Remember when the Wall Street Journal struck a deal that resultyed in users of Microsoft's browser being able to continuye to use the site for free, but users of other browsers couldn't ? Perhaps this is a similar case here. The URL you posted causes a redirect to a login screen for me (and many others based on what has been said here). Another option is that they let you in because your IP is not a north american one and if the publication offers printed copies only in north america, it doesn't hurt their sales to offer the on-line version for free to those outside north america. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:16:07 GMT From: Nigel Barker Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors Message-ID: <1rpiu0pbrkth58ftbeocoi0bos9fopus26@4ax.com> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:01:19 -0500, JF Mezei wrote: >The URL you posted causes a redirect to a login screen for me (and many >others based on what has been said here). > >Another option is that they let you in because your IP is not a north >american one and if the publication offers printed copies only in north >america, it doesn't hurt their sales to offer the on-line version for >free to those outside north america. I tried from a .com & a .fr address & got prompted to register with both Mozilla & Internet Explorer. -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:58:23 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS in Semiconductors Message-ID: <41E975DB.B60165B@teksavvy.com> Nigel Barker wrote: > I tried from a .com & a .fr address & got prompted to register with both > Mozilla & Internet Explorer. Servers may not look at the tld in a reverse lookup. They may simply look to see if an IP belongs to an ARIN or other group. For instance, ozemail.com.au customers are often assigned ARIN (north american) IP adresses out of the owner's UUNET block, so even though they are in australia, they appear to be in north america to some servers. That is why, for instance, some australians were able to access the republican's web site during last election in the USA, and other were not (that web site was specifically configured to prevent non americans from accessing it - unfortunatly, this "science" is far from exact. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:04:54 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: vms versus solaris Message-ID: <41E96955.6E77E743@teksavvy.com> Eitan wrote: > > Is there any resamblance between vms and solaris os. > If so, then what are the main things that are simmiliar and what are not (in > brief) ? What is similar: They both support X-windows. the Alpha version of VMS supports CDE desktop, so does Solaris. Solaris is one version of unix. VMS is not a Unix variant, but incorporates much of the unix functionality. Big difference is that Solaris is actively marketed and pushed by Sun, VMS is not marketed nor pushed by its current owner (HP). ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:23:39 +0000 (UTC) From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: vms versus solaris Message-ID: In article <41e94fd5$1@news.012.net.il>, "Eitan" writes: >Is there any resamblance between vms and solaris os. Both comply to the definitions of an OpSys. Both are "open" and comply to many (dejure/defacto and UNIX) standards. Both are not from M$ (and are therefor virusfree). >If so, then what are the main things that are simmiliar and what are not (in >brief) ? Asking such a question is begging for a flamewar. And the answer of this newsgroup of course is, VMS is the better opsys. For other answers read the OpenVMS FAQ http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:56:16 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: vms versus solaris Message-ID: <41E9E5E0.FB41E145@teksavvy.com> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > Both are "open" and comply to many (dejure/defacto and UNIX) standards. HP may continue to add the unwanted "open" word to VMS, but VMS is not "open" by today's standards. It no longer has the POSIX application that gave it claim to the early 1990s definition of "open". (and although VMS engineers are moving towards giving VMS more unix compatibility, very littoe of VMS is open sourced. If HP wanted VMS to be "open", they'd start by open sourcing all the components that they're not developping anymore. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:42:19 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: [OT] To Paul Sture Message-ID: <34tri2F4e5i5jU1@individual.net> Didier Morandi wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Could you send me your current email address, pls? > Tx. > > D. > > firstname.lastname@freesurf.fr > Done. And a belated Happy New Year to all in c.o.v. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.031 ************************