INFO-VAX Wed, 12 Jan 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 24 Contents: Alphaserver console environment variable ??? Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ??? An interesting little SSD Re: Basic virtual memory question Re: Breaking AlphaStation 200 4/166 for parts UK config new/flush in CSWS 1.3 Re: DECwindows window manager problem Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100 Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot Re: HEADS UP - Brand new white paper re: OpenVMS on Integrity Server - Total Cos Re: HP and SAP Re: IA64 versus Power Re: IA64 versus Power Re: IA64 versus Power Re: IA64 versus Power Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay mod_python for Apache 1.3 Re: Multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations Re: Multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations Re: Need Word-11 Re: Need Word-11 Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist CD Media... Should I buy it? Pipe command to VMS 5.5-2 Re: Pipe command to VMS 5.5-2 Re: Sun shocka - take 9 Virtual Alpha on OpenVMS AXP Re: Virtual Alpha on OpenVMS AXP Re: Virtual Alpha on OpenVMS AXP Re: Virtual Alpha on OpenVMS AXP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Jan 2005 11:15:31 -0600 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) Subject: Alphaserver console environment variable ??? Message-ID: I can't remember the name of the Alphaserver console environment variable to change the display ont he front of the system form "Alphaserver 4100" to "Bob was here". I thought it had "console" or "display" or something like that at least as part of it. It's not pre-defined, so a "SHOW *" doesn't give me a clue. Any one remember what it is? Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, except to encourage attendance in Christian churches; or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, except to require prayer in schools; or abridging the freedom of speech, except for those questioning the Bush administration; or of the press, except that not owned by Rupert Murdoch; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, except those protesting pre-emptive wars; and to petition the government for a redress of grievance, except those we don't like." -former U.S. Sen. Gary Hart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:12:04 -0500 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: Re: Alphaserver console environment variable ??? Message-ID: <34l7jmF4ajnloU1@individual.net> Bob Kaplow wrote: > I can't remember the name of the Alphaserver console environment > variable to change the display ont he front of the system form > "Alphaserver 4100" to "Bob was here". I thought it had "console" or > "display" or something like that at least as part of it. It's not > pre-defined, so a "SHOW *" doesn't give me a clue. > > Any one remember what it is? >... IIRC it was OPC_TEXT or OPCTEXT? But I wouldn't bet on it. -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX www.weaverconsulting.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:00:28 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: An interesting little SSD Message-ID: Could something like this work on an Integrity server with VMS, perhaps something similar in concept if not this exact device? Manufacturer http://www.acceleratedlogic.com/index.htm http://www.hyperos2002.com/ (more info ATA-100 version - scroll to bottom) http://www.hyperos2002.com/07042003/img/HD2zoom.gif (large image) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 09:05:04 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Basic virtual memory question Message-ID: In article , Beach Runner writes: > The size of page file quota has a limit in physical space. I don't > remember the exact size at this second. Virtual page count has been > made obsolete. > > If Working sets grow larger than page file quota, the process will crash. > This is common in sorts. You are confusing virtual memory with working set. It is virtual memory usage that is [roughly] constrained by page file quota. John Briggs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:21:58 +0000 From: Tim ffrench-Lynch Subject: Re: Breaking AlphaStation 200 4/166 for parts UK Message-ID: <41E4FA46.1ABEFDD0@baesystems.com> John Laird wrote: > I have one on my desk - the SCSI and 10Mb Ethernet capabilities are > built-in. You can add a suitable DE500 100Mb card for better networking, > but I don't think the machine supports other SCSI options. It's > fast-narrow, I think. (But not all that fast...) Indeed, SCSI on motherboard, ethernet on a small daughtercard connected via a ribbon cable to a larger daughtercard plugged into the mainboard. Both built in and not transferable to new a new system :-( Tim ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 10:52:51 -0800 From: jy@dymaxion.ca (June Young) Subject: config new/flush in CSWS 1.3 Message-ID: I am running CSWS1.3 on OpenVMS7.3-2. config new/flush works fine with mod_ssl turned off. But when I turn on mod_ssl and restart the server, once I request a simple page with http (not https yet) then do config new or flush, the server dies with memory dump showing in apache$$server.log. Is this a known problem? Any patch available? June Young ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 05:53:44 -0800 From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: DECwindows window manager problem Message-ID: <1105538024.236151.72100@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> JF Mezei wrote: > martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > If the new process has been created but the old one hasn't exitted it > > must have got hung up during the exit. What state is the DECW$MWMEX > > process in? > > > It is in LEF mode, with no image being executed, and with one file opened: > > VUE$SUBPROCESS_INIT.COM ! > > (Remember that if the MWM window manager is started from the session manager). > > A running MWM, as started with the session managers "Window Manager" menu > option runs VUE$LIBRARY:VIE$MWM.COM and when that exits, it probably goes back > to the session manager for re-use of the process. > > (On VAX, of course). I see. When I tested it I had DECW$MWM set to run as a detached process. I changed it to the sub-process and it worked fine. Is it possible that the definition of DECW$USER_DEFAULTS in your LOGIN.COM is only being set for INTERACTIVE jobs - or are you using a DECW$LOGIN.COM? Otherwise, I am out of ideas why it works for me but not for you. Martin Kirby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:56:28 GMT From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Energy Star and VAxstation 3100 Message-ID: The VAXstation graphics do not have the logic to remove the sync signals that trigger one of the sleep modes. "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:1105483793.fec1f293fac5856f73a549a0c1894274@teranews... > I have a vaxstation 3100-30. I managed to build a vaxstation to VGA cable to > hookup to a NEC LCD display. Works fine. > > However, the "sleep" mode is really just a black image being displayed, with > the monitor remaining fully powered up. > > Does VGA have input signals to cause the monitor to go into energy efficient > sleep mode ? Is there a lead in the VAXstation 3100's monitor port that could > be used to turn the montor on and off its energy saving mode ? > > Or is this just too "legacy" to have such energy saving feature ? ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 07:33:55 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot Message-ID: In article <1105489135.370330.5170@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com writes: > > Was it Mark Twain who said that there were three kinds of statistics - > lies, lies and Damn Lies? IIRC: three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. But keep up the good work. We can always tell when you're out of the office. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:58:19 -0000 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot Message-ID: wrote in message news:1105489135.370330.5170@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Was it Mark Twain who said that there were three kinds of statistics - > lies, lies and Damn Lies? A tricky question: Twain himself attributed the quotation to the British PM Benjamin Disraeli but there is no primary source for this. He might have misremembered, or just invented the quote. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:10:16 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: Hardware Today: HPC Server Snapshot Message-ID: <41e52fc8$0$23113$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <0FSEd.9830$hQ6.2089313@twister.southeast.rr.com>, > "Kenneth Farmer" writes: > >>"Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message >>news:iHCDxEENH439@eisner.encompasserve.org... >> >>>In article <34i2bdF48vk52U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill >>>Gunshannon) writes: >>> >>>>In article , >>>>"Kenneth Farmer" writes: >>> >>>>>Remember to visit this article a couple of times. We need to maximize >>>>>visitor count. >>>> >>>>Which is why no one with half a brain takes those statistics seriously. >>> >>>That is not an issue. I am sure Ken only plans to present the figures >>>to advertising executives. >> >> >>True. The visitor count on my site is used for advertisers. I certainly >>need visitor count to sell banners. > > > That doesn't disprove what I said. It merely shows your advertisers don't > have half a brain. > > >>I would like to see people originally get to the article using OpenVMS.org >>then go back directly to ServerWatch later in the day to read it again. Of >>course they can feel free to use OpenVMS.org to get back if they wish. >>Regardless, ServerWatch needs to see the interest in the article via visitor >>count. > > > Why not just write a program (something akin to SETI@Home) that fetches > these articles and then send it out to everybody you know. Lets see, > create a mailbox with a special name. Create a program to read that > mailbox. Then everytime a new article shows up al Ken would need to > do would be send mail to all these mail accounts causing them to fetch > the article and discard it. :-) If your going to stuff the ballot box > you ought to at least do a good job of it. :-) > > bill > Actually, I have heard some hackers are starting to rent the services of Zombie PC's they have compromised in the Internet to Spammers and others. Ballot Stuffing/Web Statistics Skewing would also be a potential business case for these Hackers, allowing for instance businesses to influence the decisions of competitors which rely on their web statistics. This is similar to the speculation (heard already in the 1980's) that hackers would be hired to produce Virus' to cause competitors applications to seem poorly programmed, buggy and instable. Either this is happening without anyone noticing; or it's unnecessary, since most competitors are already more than capable at producing buggy, unstable software; or probably closer to the truth, the most successful software platforms are so buggy and instable that customers have been trained to have low expectations. That what the customer has not yet experienced, can't be missed. Then by definition, OpenVMS customers have innately higher standards and are more sophisticated than those of other platforms. :-) And, you probably thought I wouldn't get this posting back on-topic. :-) Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:28:00 -0700 From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." Subject: Re: HEADS UP - Brand new white paper re: OpenVMS on Integrity Server - Total Cos Message-ID: <41E56C30.7000301@MMaz.com> Skonetski, Susan wrote: >This is an excellent white paper, "Improving Availability and lowering >TCO with HP Integrity Servers and OpenVMS" please notice the box on page >4 which is quoted in the message below. HP OpenVMS on Integrity servers >is 59-84% less expensive than SUN and IBM! > > > How does the TCO of VMS/Itanium vs. VMS/Alpha compare, however? Regards, Barry -- Barry Treahy, Jr E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com Midwest Microwave, Inc. Phone: 480/314-1320 Vice President & CIO FAX: 480/661-7028 ... but it's a DRY HEAT! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:35:47 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: HP and SAP Message-ID: <41e527b4$0$17049$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> Jan van Mastbergen wrote: > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:1105466886.5a6aaddce3cce78e9c7c6aa1680b88e2@teranews... > >>John Smith wrote: >> >>>I was flipping through a magazine this moning and came across an ad from > > SAP > >>>which was extolling the benefits of the SAP application has provided to > > HP > >>>in their recent SAP conversion. >> >>Funny that you went to the "if SAP ran on VMS". To me, my initial > > reactions > >>was: considering that SAP costed HP a lot of money in lost sales, it is >>interesting that SAP would dare advertise HP as a customer since they are > > not > >>exactly a success story for SAP implementation. > > > That is not so strange. Most SAP implementations are long and painful > excercises. > Rather than limitations in the software, the key question is 'How to eat a > dinosaur?' > One bite at a time, of course or you'll have an indigestion. > Btw and even more OT, here are some SAP nicknames that crossed my path > recently: > Sorge, Aerger und Probleme (translated from German: Worry, Trouble and Problems) > Sanduhranzeigeprogramm (translated from German: sand clock display program) > Software aus Polen (translated from German: software from Poland) > > Any more? Jan van Mastbergen > Officially, SAP is an acronym for "Systeme, Anwendungen, Produkte in der Datenverarbeitung", which means "Systems - Applications - Products in data processing". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAP_Aktiengesellschaft Perhaps a definition of sap less-known by readers who's native language isn't English... a sap is a weak or gullible person, or a dupe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sap Just to get this posting somewhat back on topic... I once spoke to the project leader responsible for porting SAP R/3 to OpenVMS at CeBit. The port was done very quickly and smoothly in, I believe, about 3 or 4 months (about 1995 or 1996 I believe, maybe someone here remembers more or better). The porting was done by DEC personnel. However, SAP refused to allow the port be commercialized. Over the years I have heard various rumors concerning why SAP decided this... 1) SAP didn't want the extra expense to build up a cadre of OpenVMS Version support specialists. 2) The OpenVMS Version was/would-be running too stable, thus creating a Version of SAP with low after purchase support and consulting revenue. 3) HP paid SAP to keep the OpenVMS Version off the market. Although, I haven't heard of anyone doing this, I wonder what (if anything) prevents one from using Oracle Classic on OpenVMS as the Database back-end for SAP? Probably only because SAP doesn't support this as a certified configuration? By the Way, there are many alternatives to SAP for OpenVMS... http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/1a12ebf21aec4653 Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:53:52 GMT From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: IA64 versus Power Message-ID: <4SaFd.5624$PQ6.154@news.cpqcorp.net> JF Mezei wrote: > IA64 is worse off than Alpha ever was. Not true. Intel makes (and promotes) IA64. Although DEC did a dog-and-pony show in the early '90s to try to get Intel to adopt Alpha, that attempt failed. In contrast, HP was successful in getting Intel to not only adopt but to co-develop Itanium. Despite DEC's efforts, Alpha remained tied to a specific computer manufacturer. Itanium is now independent of any specific computer manufacturer. Alpha lost Windows support. [PowerPC lost Windows support, too.] In contrast, Microsoft continues to sell Windows [2003 Server] on Itanium. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:27:09 GMT From: CJT Subject: Re: IA64 versus Power Message-ID: <41E54FDE.3020205@prodigy.net> Keith Parris wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > >> IA64 is worse off than Alpha ever was. > > > Not true. > > Intel makes (and promotes) IA64. Although DEC did a dog-and-pony show in > the early '90s to try to get Intel to adopt Alpha, that attempt failed. > In contrast, HP was successful in getting Intel to not only adopt but to > co-develop Itanium. > > Despite DEC's efforts, Alpha remained tied to a specific computer > manufacturer. Itanium is now independent of any specific computer > manufacturer. What other chip manufacturer can one turn to as a second source? > > Alpha lost Windows support. [PowerPC lost Windows support, too.] In > contrast, Microsoft continues to sell Windows [2003 Server] on Itanium. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 11:24:08 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: IA64 versus Power Message-ID: In article <41E54FDE.3020205@prodigy.net>, CJT writes: > Keith Parris wrote: >> JF Mezei wrote: >> >>> IA64 is worse off than Alpha ever was. >> >> >> Not true. >> >> Intel makes (and promotes) IA64. Although DEC did a dog-and-pony show in >> the early '90s to try to get Intel to adopt Alpha, that attempt failed. >> In contrast, HP was successful in getting Intel to not only adopt but to >> co-develop Itanium. >> >> Despite DEC's efforts, Alpha remained tied to a specific computer >> manufacturer. Itanium is now independent of any specific computer >> manufacturer. > > What other chip manufacturer can one turn to as a second source? Keith said "computer", not "chip". ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 17:41:26 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: IA64 versus Power Message-ID: <34l5q6F4cdlq6U1@individual.net> In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > In article <41E54FDE.3020205@prodigy.net>, CJT writes: >> Keith Parris wrote: >>> JF Mezei wrote: >>> >>>> IA64 is worse off than Alpha ever was. >>> >>> >>> Not true. >>> >>> Intel makes (and promotes) IA64. Although DEC did a dog-and-pony show in >>> the early '90s to try to get Intel to adopt Alpha, that attempt failed. >>> In contrast, HP was successful in getting Intel to not only adopt but to >>> co-develop Itanium. >>> >>> Despite DEC's efforts, Alpha remained tied to a specific computer >>> manufacturer. Itanium is now independent of any specific computer >>> manufacturer. >> >> What other chip manufacturer can one turn to as a second source? > > Keith said "computer", not "chip". In that case, it was/is no more true of Alpha than it is of IA64. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:38:45 GMT From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I got it... here's your DUMP... (sans the hexadecimal): This may be a bit more readable than the dump: --- Digital Equipment Corporation parts to be auctioned. Highlighted items have gone up for auction as of 1-6-05 Ebay seller: KURTM2 Please email me at kurtm22@netscape.net with your choice of items you would like to see put up for auction sooner rather than later. List as of 1-11-2005 DEC # Qty DEC Number/description; Barcode or SN W984A 1 Extender Board (1) on 1-6-05 W987A 1 Quad Extender Board W9040 1 Extender Board W9512 1 Wire wrap module 5012352C 503B M8063 1 KXT11-A 5014484D-P2 509B 3569349 M8063BA 1 KXT11-A 5014484D-P2 226A AB44006178 M8044BB 1 32K 18bit mos memory 5013128DP1 943C M8044DB 1 32K 18bit mos memory 5013128DP1 129D 09884DB M8044DF 1 32K 18bit mos memory 5013128DP1 832B 1156 M8044DE 1 32K 18bit mos memory 5013128DP1 049D M00510306 VT10 1 Expansion Backplane 5013383B 5413384 BE3-0 2/4 MB mem option 5016801-01-D2 L6 NI70301131 A1 BH M7651 1 DRV11-WA REV B 2J-5056A-00 422A TQ01829 M7941 1 Parallel Line Unit 5011573DP1 638J AG63703442 M3104 1 DHV11 5015588701 B1 720 D1 AG719C0284 M8029 1 RXV21 RX02 CONTROLLER 5013080D-P3 217H AB2160VI69 M7676 1 5016277-01-A1 446B1 SG17214427 M7555 1 RQDX3 5016674 01C1 635 D1 SG631B6811 M7504 1 5016028-01 C1 531D 2 AS14122 M0843 1 SLU (Serial line unit?) 5013216F1 P2 936 L1 AG933FLN72 M8192 1 KDJ11-A Processor 5015394-01 B1 *00 48418 2525623 A8000 1 Data Acquisition Module EP074 Rev. E 132794-A082 1 VT125 Paddle Board 5014274E AB44506A25 ADV11-SA / A1008-PA 1 Data Acquisition Module 30-25269-01/03 MLD0032 233753 ADV11-SA / A026-PA 1 Data Acquisition Module 30-18689-02 M_90400083 286619 M8639 1 Rdrx disk controller 5015649-02 A1 M8639-YB SG526A4116/126FS152-9 BUA T1010AA 1 Cpu? 5016150-01 B1 BX09 NI54300078 M8189 1 KDF11-B 5014313A M8190 1 KDJ11-B CPU 5016017-01-C1 51 37143 BC SG7299631 1 LR01 54-20826 JO5 5020825-01-A2 5420826 GA13503570 1 KA810-AA 5016138-01 C1 L10 0AB1 NI54600216 M7546 1 TK50 CONTROLLER 5016268-01-D1 632 F1 EN49808 05A M7270 1 LSI-11 CPU 5013004E 938H K AB92550334 M7551 AP 1 Q22 MOS MEM 5017547-01-D1-P2 HK63114780 M8186 1 KDF11 CPU 5013326D-P4 319 D0 AB31706R35 M7554-PA 1 KDJ11-D CPU 5016760-01-C1 A3X3 AG63602664 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:52:04 -0600 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: List of DEC boards to be auctioned on Ebay Message-ID: In article <1105478247.b0f6641c507f66a08b948bae8df3c5d7@teranews>, JF Mezei wrote: > "K. Marden" wrote: > > Please follow this link to an Excel spreadsheet. > > > How can I view an excell spreadsheet on a VMS system ? $ perl dumpspread.pl sys$login:dec-parts-list1.xls FILE :sys$login:dec-parts-list1.xls COUNT :3 AUTHOR:Kurt M. Marden Digital equipment corporation parts to be auctioned. Highlighted items have gone up for auction as of 1-6-05 Ebay seller: KURTM2 Please email me at kurtm22ATnetscape.net with your choice of items you would like to see put up for auction sooner rather than later. List as of 1-11-2005 Dec number: Qty available: Dec Number/descr: Dec Number/descr: Dec Number/descr: Barcode or SN: W984A 1 Extender Board (1) on 1-6-05 W987A 1 Quad Extender Board W9040 1 Extender Board W9512 1 Wire wrap module 5012352C 503B M8063 1 KXT11-A 5014484D-P2 509B 3569349 M8063BA 1 KXT11-A 5014484D-P2 226A AB44006178 M8044BB 1 32K 18bit mos memory 5013128DP1 943C M8044DB 1 32K 18bit mos memory 5013128DP1 129D 09884DB M8044DF 1 32K 18bit mos memory 5013128DP1 832B 1156 M8044DE 1 32K 18bit mos memory 5013128DP1 049D M00510306 VT10 1 Expansion Backplane 5013383B 5413384 BE3-0 2/4 MB mem option 5016801-01-D2 L6 NI70301131 A1 BH M7651 1 DRV11-WA REV B 2J-5056A-00 422A TQ01829 M7941 1 Parallel Line Unit 5011573DP1 638J AG63703442 M3104 1 DHV11 5015588701 B1 720 D1 AG719C0284 M8029 1 RXV21 RX02 CONTROLLER 5013080D-P3 217H AB2160VI69 M7676 1 5016277-01-A1 446B1 SG17214427 M7555 1 RQDX3 5016674 01C1 635 D1 SG631B6811 M7504 1 5016028-01 C1 531D 2 AS14122 M0843 1 SLU (Serial line unit?) 5013216F1 P2 936 L1 AG933FLN72 M8192 1 KDJ11-A Processor 5015394-01 B1 *00 48418 2525623 A8000 1 Data Acquisition Module EP074 Rev. E 132794-A082 1 VT125 Paddle Board 5014274E AB44506A25 ADV11-SA / A1008-PA 1 Data Acquisition Module 30-25269-01/03 MLD0032 233753 ADV11-SA / A026-PA 1 Data Acquisition Module 30-18689-02 M_90400083 286619 M8639 1 Rdrx disk controller 5015649-02 A1 M8639-YB SG526A4116/126FS152-9 BUA T1010AA 1 Cpu? 5016150-01 B1 BX09 NI54300078 M8189 1 KDF11-B 5014313A M8190 1 KDJ11-B CPU 5016017-01-C1 51 37143 BC SG7299631 1 LR01 54-20826 JO5 5020825-01-A2 5420826 GA13503570 1 KA810-AA 5016138-01 C1 L10 0AB1 NI54600216 M7546 1 TK50 CONTROLLER 5016268-01-D1 632 F1 EN49808 05A M7270 1 LSI-11 CPU 5013004E 938H K AB92550334 M7551 AP 1 Q22 MOS MEM 5017547-01-D1-P2 HK63114780 M8186 1 KDF11 CPU 5013326D-P4 319 D0 AB31706R35 M7554-PA 1 KDJ11-D CPU 5016760-01-C1 A3X3 AG63602664 And here's the program: $ type dumpspread.pl use strict; use Spreadsheet::ParseExcel; my $oExcel = new Spreadsheet::ParseExcel; my $oBook = $oExcel->Parse($ARGV[0]); print "FILE :", $oBook->{File} , "\n"; print "COUNT :", $oBook->{SheetCount} , "\n"; print "AUTHOR:", $oBook->{Author} , "\n"; my $oWkS = $oBook->{Worksheet}[0]; my($iR, $iC); for(my $iR = $oWkS->{MinRow} ; defined $oWkS->{MaxRow} && $iR <= $oWkS->{MaxRow} ; $iR++) { for(my $iC = $oWkS->{MinCol} ; defined $oWkS->{MaxCol} && $iC <= $oWkS->{MaxCol} ; $iC++) { my $oWkC = $oWkS->{Cells}[$iR][$iC]; print $oWkC->Value . "\t" if($oWkC); } print "\n"; } __END; This assumes a simple case of one worksheet -- you might need another loop if you have multiple worksheets. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:56:44 GMT From: "Jerry Alan Braga" Subject: mod_python for Apache 1.3 Message-ID: Does anyone have an build mod_python module around. I have installed latest vms python build and would like to use it with apache. But when I download the mod_python kit from the apache web site for version 1.3 I get errors about missing .h files like "http_connection.h", "util_filter.h". I downloaded the entire apache source kit from the HP web site and these files are not in the kit thanks in advance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:33:12 GMT From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: Multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations Message-ID: Ed Wilts wrote: > In the SET DEVICE/SITE online help, there is a restriction that this is > ignored for multi-site fibre channel configurations. No, what the documentation is trying to say is that from inside the box, there's no way for Volume Shadowing to tell which Fibre Channel disks are local and which are remote, since they all look the same to it. So unless you take a bit of extra trouble to tell VMS which are local and which are remote (i.e. which site the disks are at and which site the hosts are at), Volume Shadowing must simply treat all the Fibre Channel disks the same (which may be the desired result for multi-site clusters with insignificant inter-site distances). You may find the $SHOW SHADOW DSAnnn: command output to be helpful. Here's a sample of its output from a 7.3-2 system (but not in a multi-site cluster): _DSA320: SITE_DATA3 - Shadowing Level 1 In Use Virtual Unit SCB Status: 0401 - normal,write logging Local Virtual Unit Status: 00000010 - Local Read Total Devices 2 VU_UCB 81C26FC0 Source Members 2 SCB LBN 021E8C26 Act Copy Target 0 Generation 00A3DC15 Act Merge Target 0 Number AB0E1707 Last Read Index 0 VU Site Value 0 Master Mbr Index 0 VU Timeout Value 3600 Copy Hotblocks 0 Copy Collisions 0 SCP Merge Repair Cnt 0 APP Merge Repair Cnt 0 Device $10$DUA970 Master Member Index 0 Status 000000A0 src,valid Ext. Member Status 00 Read Cost 501 Site 0 Member Timeout 120 UCB 81A0AA40 Device $10$DUA971 Index 1 Status 000000A0 src,valid Ext. Member Status 00 Read Cost 501 Site 0 Member Timeout 120 UCB 81A0BE80 Of particular interest here are: "VU Site Value" - the site this particular VMS host system is located at (this may vary on different VMS systems, if they're at different sites) "Site" - the site the disk is at (this would be the same on all VMS systems for a given disk; different disks may be a different sites) "Read Cost" - the relative cost to read from this disk. If a disk is at a different Site than the VMS host system, then Shadowing sets the Read Cost higher for that disk than for a disk which is at the same Site as the host. VMS adds the local queue length to the Read Cost for each shadowset member and reads from the member with the lowest combined value. This tends to direct the reads to local member disks (unless the load on the disk and thus the queue length gets extremely high, in which case VMS will start directing some reads to the remote member). ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 11:13:49 -0500 From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) Subject: Re: Multiple-site Fibre Channel configurations Message-ID: Ed Wilts" writes: > > Are you saying that if I set the sysgen parameter for the host site, > and do a set shadow/site=n $1$DGAnnn that the shadow driver will prefer > reads from the local member? Yes. > BTW, the help for SHADOW_SITE_ID in SYSGEN is incorrect. It states > that this is a dynamic parameter when it isn't (VMS 7.3-2). Yeah, sorry. I *think* this has been fixed in a remedial kit for V7.3-2. -- Rob Brooks VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:35:02 +0100 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: Need Word-11 Message-ID: <41e51977$0$17049$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> > > Poking around their site, it looks like they're out of the Word-11 business. DPD's old Word-11 page can be found in the Internet Archive (otherwise known as the Wayback Machine). http://web.archive.org/web/20031219191924/http://www.goldfax.co.uk/GoldFax_VMS/word-11.asp Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:44:38 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Need Word-11 Message-ID: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) wrote on 01/11/2005 11:52:30 PM: > In article , > "Anthony E. Scandora, Jr." writes: > >I've been presented with a load of valuable documentation written on an old > >VAX in Word-11 and a serious request to read it. > > > >Google can't find Data Processing Design. I found them on DECUServe, but > >their 800 number is disconnected, and their 714 number is a modem or fax > >machine. Might that mean they're out of business? > > No information on whether they're in business, but DPD.COM is still alive and > redirects to a page about GOLD-FAX, which is one of their products. According > to http://www.goldfax.com/contact.asp > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Or, for immediate service, please feel free to call us directly: > > Corporate Headquarters > sales@dpd.com > Phone: +1 714 695 1000 > Fax: +1 714 695 1010 > > DPD International, Inc. > 17310 Red Hill Ave > Suite 200 > Irvine , CA 92614 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Poking around their site, it looks like they're out of the Word-11 business. > > > > > > >Does anyone know how to translate Word-11 documents to Word, WordPerfect, > >RTF, DECwrite, TeX, runoff, or anything else? > > They used to have a VAX-only Word-11->MSWord translator, but I never found out > whether it worked or not, and apparently it wasn't popular enough for them to > port to Alpha. > Actually it is W11toWP. Some may remember that WP was once available on VAXen. Like all abandoned tools, it works well enough for uninteresting documents, but as soon as you do interesting formating or indexes or Table-of-Contents it is not quite there (They left it at V1.0). Nevertheless, it may be of use. The idea was to port to WP. I have ftp'd files - after conversion - to Windows and made sense of them in MSWord, which translates the WP format. > If you're trying to get mostly text out of the thing, you can use Word-11 to > print to disk as text (using DT filename), and then do whatever you want to > with the file. (Including feeding it through ASCtoHTML and making HTML pages > that you could probably then import into Word or something.) I > wouldn't expect > this process to preserve figures or fancy formatting, though. > > Or you can make a Postscript file and turn it into a PDF of your docs, I > suppose. > > We're still running Word-11 because we haven't come up with a good way to > get our scientific papers using Greek characters, etc, out of it in an > automatic way. But we haven't been under support for 5+ years. > > -- Alan ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 07:36:44 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist CD Media... Should I buy it? Message-ID: In article <5a1b0f1f.0501111744.72f93ec8@posting.google.com>, imyaman@gmail.com (vergence) writes: > At last I bought a second-hand alpha station 255. I'd like to try > OSF1/Digital Unix/Tru64(hobby) or OpenVMS(challenge). > > I visited http://www.openvmshobbyist.com. and learned I can get > OpenVMS for free. > BTW, Should I buy OpenVMS Hobbyist CD Media? Can I download it via > internet? If you think running OpenVMS is a challenge, buy the CD, follow the cookbook style installation instructions, and find out how easy it is. This software is not generally available or download, but if you're using the hobbyist license you can get it from anywhere you can find it. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 06:29:37 -0800 From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) Subject: Pipe command to VMS 5.5-2 Message-ID: IS there any application or procedure to enable Pipe commands in VAX/VMS 5.5-2 ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:41:59 +0100 From: Michiel Erens Subject: Re: Pipe command to VMS 5.5-2 Message-ID: <41e55359$1@news.nb.nu> Shiva MahaDeva wrote: > IS there any application or procedure to enable Pipe commands in VAX/VMS 5.5-2 ? ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/adv_pipe.zip -- ME Posted by news://news.nb.nu ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 00:52:26 -0600 From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: Sun shocka - take 9 Message-ID: In article , "John Smith" writes: > Rob Young wrote: > >> They were an 18 Billion dollar company fiscal year ended June 2001. > > Which was at the end of Y2K conversion sales bulge and the early stages of > the .bomb session - which both inflated revenues and began to eat at server > sales for *all* major *server* manufacturers. > Nice theory, but no evidence. Here is a reality that is easily verifiable. While Sun was tanking, IBM was climbing in the server space. Here are a few key points... http://news.com.com/IBM+extends+lead+in+server+market/2100-1010_3-5465301.html?tag=st.ref.goo Sales of servers worldwide increased 5.5 percent to $11.5 billion in the third quarter of 2004 compared with the year-earlier quarter, according to market researcher IDC. IBM's sales grew faster, though, with revenue increasing 6.3 percent to $3.4 billion, giving Big Blue 31.7 percent of the market. No. 2 HP grew slower than the market, increasing sales from $3 billion to $3.1 billion. Dell and Sun were essentially tied for third place, with Sun at $1.18 billion and Dell at $1.17 billion--but Dell's sales increased 14.1 percent compared with Sun's 0.1 percent, IDC said. The overall market growth has been under way for six consecutive quarters, but only recently has it become strong, IDC analyst Vernon Turner said. Information technology spending now includes more new projects rather than just maintaining the status quo, he said. --- Six consecutive quarters of server growth. http://nwc.serverpipeline.com/news/18200734 IBM, the leader in the worldwide server market in terms of revenue, increased sales by more than 10 percent last year [2003], while Sun Microsystems Inc. saw a more than 15 percent decline, a market research firm said Wednesday. IBM increased revenue to $14.8 billion from $13.4 billion in 2002, the latest figures from Gartner Inc. showed. Sun, on the other hand, dropped to $5.5 billion from $6.4 billion. --- So no matter how you splice it, Sun has been declining in server revenue for quite some time even as IBM in the same period increased revenue. > >> Today they are a 11 Billion (plus) dollar company. > > It's funny in a way but Sun's decline, in part, came to be precisely because > Sun was so successful at selling their servers to most of the .emerging com > companies. The only problem was that when the .com's became .bombs there was > a huge influx of basically new equipment in the liqudation market at fire > sale prices. How could Sun, or indeed just about anyone sell new servers > into a market glutted with almost new gear? All the major vendors were hit > by this same phenomenon. > Not at all. IBM and Dell are two very good counter-examples. You will see a slight server revenue decline for IBM in one quarter, but go back and look at the last 12 quarters (3 years). IBM , Dell growing, HP pretty flat and Sun shrinking dramatically. How else to explain how Sun went from 18 billion in revenue to 11 billion? They have more than doubled their service revenues in the last year or two. But alas, they are too heavily dependent on hardware. > >> There are a lot >> of ways you can dress up and talk up a company and Scotty is >> an absolute master. But reality sets in, stock takes a tumble, >> etc., etc. > > Just like hiding your company's computing sales weakness behind a veneer of > toner and printer ink cartridges. > That's funny. Last I checked HP was a 77 billion dollar company. Poke fun at HP all you want... Sun is a wanna-be in comparison. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 05 13:54:06 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.si Subject: Virtual Alpha on OpenVMS AXP Message-ID: <41e52c04@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si> Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS thread didn't answer the interesting question whether there is "virtual Alpha" running on OpenVMS AXP. Is there? Regards, Rok Vidmar Internet: rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si National and University Library Phone: +386 1 421 5461 Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana Fax: +386 1 421 5464 Slovenia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:18:54 -0500 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" Subject: Re: Virtual Alpha on OpenVMS AXP Message-ID: <41E4F98E.4584.81123FA@localhost> On 12 Jan 2005 at 13:54, rok@nuk.uni-lj.si wrote: > Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS thread didn't answer the > interesting question whether there is "virtual Alpha" running on > OpenVMS AXP. Is there? No, but there is a "virtual VAX" available on OpenVMS AXP. --Stan Quayle Quayle Consulting Inc. ---------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ +1 614-868-1363 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH 43147 USA stan-at-stanq-dot-com http://www.stanq.com ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 09:52:06 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: Virtual Alpha on OpenVMS AXP Message-ID: In article <41e52c04@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>, rok@nuk.uni-lj.si writes: > Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS thread didn't > answer the interesting question whether there is "virtual Alpha" > running on OpenVMS AXP. In general, the Alpha architecture is not "self-virtualizing" the way, for instance, the IBM 390 instruction set is. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2005 12:12:28 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: Virtual Alpha on OpenVMS AXP Message-ID: <$WLNrPSRPYIX@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <41E55BE5.7090701@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie writes: > Thus, I was terribly disappointed when the VAX came out without > this capability. It seemed to me to be an obvious feature and > I never understood why DEC didn't include it. What, if anything, > is it about the VAX architecture that precluded "self-virtualizing"? Yes. It _might_ be the lack of an ability to next implementations of kernel mode support, but I know there is a specific instruction capability experts look for that is missing. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.024 ************************