INFO-VAX Sun, 09 Jan 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 17 Contents: 4000/705a Fails to startup Re: AST routine and C language va_count, va_start, va_end, etc Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo Re: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo Re: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo Re: Laptop hard disk upgrade Microsot kills XP on Itanic Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itnerface: se0" Re: New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itnerface: Re: Samsung! Re: Samsung! Re: Sun shocka - take 9 Re: Sun shocka - take 9 TFTP logging question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jan 2005 15:32:27 -0800 From: williams.dan@gmail.com (Dan Williams) Subject: 4000/705a Fails to startup Message-ID: <26c11a64.0501081532.205f5841@posting.google.com> I have a 4000/705a that won't power up. It is stuck on E on the status code and nothing is output from serial port. It was working when it was turned off (2 days ago). Any ideas what could of caused this ? Thanks Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:28:49 +1030 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: AST routine and C language va_count, va_start, va_end, etc Message-ID: <41e065d4@duster.adelaide.on.net> I'd like to reactivate this thread: Mark Daniel wrote: > I would like to use the C langauge va_count() in a function to > distinguish between direct and AST use of the function. For example: > > myFunction (int a1, int, a2, int a3) { > int argcount; > va_count (argcnt) > if (argcnt == 3) { > /* direct call behaviour */ > } > else { > /* AST call behaviour */ > } > } > > The idea being with all direct calls three arguments are always supplied > but with an AST only the one (the user parameter). > > Is this usage of va_count() valid? TIA. I have subsequently discovered that va_count() often reports an argument count of 4 (for the above example). That is, it often reports the maximum number of arguments ever directly called plus one (I've checked through the code for obvious call error). This is always in user AST delivery mode and the only explanation that springs to mind is when an AST routine calls it directly. I cannot explain the four arguments otherwise. Can anyone offer an explanation for this behaviour or describe how va_count() works (for the Alpha platform in this case if that is relevant - I see the macro uses a builtin)? TIA. PS. Any opinions on whether the HP ITRC fora are better than c.o.v. for technical queries? ("duck and cover") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:53:37 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette Message-ID: Wayne Sewell wrote: >>From: Dave Froble >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >>Subject: Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette >>Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:19:57 -0500 >> >> > > > > >>Wayne Sewell wrote: >> >> >> >>>>From: "Hein" >>>>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >>>>Subject: Re: Comp.os.vms netiquette >>>>Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:36:21 -0500 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"Jeff Cameron" wrote in message >>>>news:BE0078F5.3A9C%JCam90502@jcameron.com... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>What is the accepted etiquette for the comp.os.vms board concerning >>>>>advertising commercial software for OpenVMS systems? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I would suspect it is officially discouraged, but it is infinitely more >>>>appropriate then the recent 'young men' and piramid scheme 'but this one >>>>works' topics, and various other rants. >>>> >>>>It will be just one more ignore for some and a possibly welcome reprieve >>>>for others. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Just be aware that potential customers may be pissed off, especially if you go >>>overboard with it. For instance, I wouldn't buy anything from Island Computers >>>if they were the only vendor on earth. They have been bombarding the newsgroup >>>with incessant advertising for years. >>> >>> >>And they've been exceeding helpful at times. >> >>We're all in this together. It would be best if we all were pulling in the same >>direction. Possibly Island could have been helpful when you were trolling ebay >>for some parts? >> >> > >Why is Island the only vendor who is allowed to advertise here in comp.os.vms? > >Lots of us have vms-related products to sell. > >Lots of us have contributed to the newgroup. > >Lots of us have been helpful on occasion. > >Yes, we are all in this together. All of us care about the future of vms and >want to provide vms-only solutions. > >If Island is allowed to use the newsgroup for sales and marketing, all the rest >of us should also be allowed to do so. > >Either no one should be allowed to advertise, or everyone should be allowed to >advertise. > >Wayne >=============================================================================== >Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting (281)812-0738 wayne@tachysoft.com >http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html >=============================================================================== >Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it." > > Wayne, Some large percentage of the postings on this group have little or nothing to do with VMS. In an unmoderated news group there is no way other than social pressure to enforce any rules. Anybody can post absolutely anything here and some people do! I think very few people would have any problem with someone posting an announcement for a VMS related product. If anyone does object he can flame the poster or refuse to buy the product. Posting daily or weekly plugs for your product would probably have rapidly diminishing returns but just announcing that "DWIM 5.3" will ship to customers February 1st and orders will be accepted starting Monday does little harm and might even be useful. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:23:06 -0000 From: "Alex Daniels" Subject: Re: Emulation of an Alpha server running OpenVMS Message-ID: <41e0412c$0$14263$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk> "Graham Burley" wrote in message news:41DDD19E.19EA2815@encompasserve-or-this.org... > Maybe tomorrow, maybe someday. > > Some useful links available here: > > http://www.encompasserve.org/DECUServe/DECnotes/VMS/3411.1.HTML > > "o Timothy Stark (of TS-10 VAX Emulator fame) reported bringing an > Alpha > emulator along to the point where it could run SRM. Timothy also > mentions he > found two Alpha emulators, SimOS (from Stanford: see > http://simos.stanford.edu/ > ), and SimpleScalar (see http://www.simplescalar.com/), during his > research. > o Virtutech Simics Alpha simulator > http://www.virtutech.com/products/archs/alpha.html > o SimCore/Alpha: > http://www.yuba.is.uec.ac.jp/~kis/SimCore/functional.htm > o SMTSim from UCSD: http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/users/tullsen/smtsim.html > o AINT from University of Colorado Boulder: > https://systems.cs.colorado.edu/DistributedSoftware/Aint/ > o The 2003 VMS L&T SIG tapes contained Alphaahb4, an Alpha CPU > emulator." There is also M5 which apparently is able to boot an OS (rather than just run images), they claim to have booted TRU64 http://m5.eecs.umich.edu/ Alex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:06:04 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo Message-ID: http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/01/07/HNfiorinashowsoff_1.html Fiorina shows off HP's '05 wares CEO touts easily-afforable technologies By Nancy Weil, IDG News Service January 07, 2005 LAS VEGAS - The "digital revolution" is all about providing users with easy-to-use affordable technologies and products that help them to share their lives with others through media, Hewlett-Packard (HP) Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Carly Fiorina said Friday in a keynote address at the International Consumer Electronics Show (CES). Joining Fiorina were musician-fashion icon Gwen Stefani, showing off an HP digital camera she designed, and singer Vanessa Carlton, promoting "personalized tattoos," which are downloadable art linked to particular songs and used to decorate the HP-branded iPod. DreamWorks Animation SKG Chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg was on hand to sing HP's praises as a business partner. Fiorina did offer hints at news to come this year, saying that she would provide details in April at the National Association of Broadcasters conference about a digital platform HP has developed to help content providers such as movie studios and TV networks transfer content from their archives into digital format. The keynote also featured a video of work going on in HP labs, including development of a coffee table with a screen built into the top that can be used to view city maps and to put together puzzles and play games. Users will run their fingers over the map areas to move from street to street and likewise will move their fingers across the table top to hook together puzzles or move game pieces. A timeline for the debut of that product was not provided. HP also is working with Orca Interactive on IPTV (Internet Protocol TV), which has been a hot CES topic, Fiorina said, but gave no further details on that project. Also, this year, HP will complement its TV offerings by releasing 17 new TV and home theater projection products, Fiorina said. "We don't just OEM someone else's TV and slap a logo on it," Fiorina said, adding that HP-developed technologies will be central to the new TVs, which will roll out in time for the holidays. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:35:26 -0500 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo Message-ID: John Smith wrote: ... > "We don't just OEM someone else's TV and slap a logo on it," Fiorina said What a concept! Too bad she didn't apply it to her enterprise computer operations while there was still time to do so. Then again, perhaps only consumer products are considered central to HP's future, such as it may be. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:26:32 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: I want to see carly(tm)'s tatoo Message-ID: <1105244164.0f3214e5d2e0294307e2d1f2da2ccf68@teranews> Bill Todd wrote: > Then again, perhaps only consumer products are considered central to > HP's future, such as it may be. Carly comes from the .com era, where she headed Lucent into massive unsustainable growth. (which almost bankrupcted Lucent). Right now, US companies are seeing an opportunity to regain markets that have moved to Japan: consumer electronics. There is a new wave of products (such as ipod and hdtv) where US companies are on an even keel with the rest of the world because there is no established market leaders for this new/reborn industry. Carly is probably not interested in enterprise computing because this is a boring, soldid, slow growth industry, and she probably realises she doesn't have the right competence at her disposal to compete against IBM. So, her .com pedigree pushes her to steer HP towards the markets that have some potential for big growth, even if those might not be sustainable in the long term. And don't forget that as a slave of Microsoft, HP needs to produc products that will re-enforce's Microsoft's vision for the home electronics markets. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:12:05 -0500 From: "don" Subject: Re: Laptop hard disk upgrade Message-ID: I have used the products from CMS Products with good success. The have a hardware/software tool set that includes a PCMCIA card interface that performs a copy of your old drive to the new drive before you install it into the laptop. It is trivial and fast to take their approach. Their URL looks a lot like http://www.cmsproducts.com/index.htm "David J Dachtera" wrote in message news:41DF53AC.E24D3E9C@comcast.net... > Folks, > > I was wondering if someone who's been through this would correspond with > me off-line (how to de-mung the reply-to should be obvious, but I'd also > recommend using the Comcast address since I get so much spam at > Earthlink). > > I bought this machine last year near this time used from a company out > east. It's a ThinkPad T20 and only has a 5GB hard drive. Naturally, I'm > looking for bigger without replacing this machine just yet. > > The "how-to" I'm looking for is, of course, getting this hard disk's > contents onto the new device. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems > http://www.djesys.com/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > Coming soon: > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:04:18 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Microsot kills XP on Itanic Message-ID: Itanic to be high-cost low-volume chip until Intel kills it. Shoulda kept Alpha - no porting costs, no 3 years of delays in pushing ahead with important new features the VMS engineers could have been working on. http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/01/07/02NNitanium_1.html Microsoft nixes XP for Itanium Move seen as final nail in Itanium 2 for workstations coffin By Joris Evers January 07, 2005 Marking the death of Itanium within workstations, Microsoft has said it will cease offering a version of Windows XP for Intel's Itanium 2 processor. The move comes after several hardware providers ceased producing workstations with the chip. It essentially signifies the end for Itanium 2 in Windows-based workstations and comes after major hardware vendors abandoned the 64-bit chip for use in workstations. Going forward, Microsoft will focus on processors with 64-bit extensions for use in workstations, a company spokeswoman said. After several delays, final versions of Windows for 32-bit processors with 64-bit extensions are due in the first half of this year. "Microsoft believes Windows for Itanium-based systems is a stronger offering in the high-end server market," the spokeswoman said. "For the mainstream server and workstation markets, however, we believe we can best serve customer needs with Windows Server 2003 Standard x64 Edition and Windows XP Professional x64 Edition." Microsoft uses "x64" to indicate versions of Windows for processors with 64-bit extensions. Workstations are high-performance desktop computers often used by designers and engineers, as well as in video production environments. Processors with 64-bit extensions, as opposed to the Itanium processor, are x86 processors that are capable of 64-bit computing and can also run applications written for the 32-bit processors used in most PCs today. Intel supports Microsoft discontinuing Windows XP for Itanium, officially called Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003. "We're aware of Microsoft's plans and agree with their priorities and direction," said Erica Fields, an Intel spokeswoman. "The workstation market really has never been a main focus for the Itanium. Xeon with 64-bit capabilities really provides the best overall price performance for the general workstation market." Hewlett-Packard, the last remaining major workstation vendor to sell Itanium-based workstations, stopped selling the systems in September 2004, citing less than favorable market conditions. HP had been selling two Itanium 2-based workstation models since April 2003. Dell pulled its Itanium workstations off the market before HP did. Because nobody was selling the software, Microsoft's retiring of Windows XP for Itanium is no great surprise, said Nathan Brookwood, principal analyst at research company Insight 64. "It has been increasingly obvious over the past year that Itanium is moving more and more into the mid-to-high-end server space and away from low-end servers and desktops," Brookwood said. 64-bit processors offer users greater computing power, as systems process more data per clock cycle and use more memory. Advanced Micro Devices' Athlon64 and Opteron processors, as well as Intel's Xeon processors, currently support 64-bit extensions. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:26:30 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic Message-ID: <1105218986.17db671e0a4a1674d9b8f795e18e4df5@teranews> John Smith wrote: > Microsoft nixes XP for Itanium > Move seen as final nail in Itanium 2 for workstations coffin The article talks as if Microsoft was pulling out of IA64 completely. Another article I read a few days ago mentioned only the XP professional edition being widthdrawn, and that XP Server would continue. Any clarification on what Microsoft has actually announced ? No matter what the reality is, if the press talks about as if MS was pulling out of IA64 alltogether, the image of a sinking ship will be strenghtened. With IA64 now relegated to high end , low volume systems, it is in fact worse off than Alpha and Pa_Risc. And if HP killed Pa Risc and Alpha because they were not "high volume, low cost, commodity, industry standard", then it must kill off IA64 and move to the 8086. 2005 may be the year when they announce the death of IA64 with a few more itarations currently in the works coming out until 2007. IA64 is probably already dead in the eyes of the media, and such a tailspin in image may not be survivable for IA64. Carly should know that image is very important. She pays some hairstylists big bucks for her image. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:11:28 GMT From: CJT Subject: Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic Message-ID: <41E076B1.6080709@prodigy.net> JF Mezei wrote: > John Smith wrote: > >>Microsoft nixes XP for Itanium >>Move seen as final nail in Itanium 2 for workstations coffin > > > The article talks as if Microsoft was pulling out of IA64 completely. Another > article I read a few days ago mentioned only the XP professional edition being > widthdrawn, and that XP Server would continue. > Although I haven't seen the pricing, I suspect XP Server for Itanium is even lower volume and more expensive than the Itanium 2 chip. > Any clarification on what Microsoft has actually announced ? > > No matter what the reality is, if the press talks about as if MS was pulling > out of IA64 alltogether, the image of a sinking ship will be strenghtened. > > With IA64 now relegated to high end , low volume systems, it is in fact worse > off than Alpha and Pa_Risc. > > And if HP killed Pa Risc and Alpha because they were not "high volume, low > cost, commodity, industry standard", then it must kill off IA64 and move to > the 8086. > > 2005 may be the year when they announce the death of IA64 with a few more > itarations currently in the works coming out until 2007. > > IA64 is probably already dead in the eyes of the media, and such a tailspin in > image may not be survivable for IA64. Carly should know that image is very > important. She pays some hairstylists big bucks for her image. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:37:40 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Microsot kills XP on Itanic Message-ID: CJT wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: >> John Smith wrote: >> >>> Microsoft nixes XP for Itanium >>> Move seen as final nail in Itanium 2 for workstations coffin >> >> >> The article talks as if Microsoft was pulling out of IA64 >> completely. Another article I read a few days ago mentioned only the >> XP professional edition being widthdrawn, and that XP Server would >> continue. >> > > Although I haven't seen the pricing, I suspect XP Server for Itanium > is even lower volume and more expensive than the Itanium 2 chip. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pricing.mspx Minimum version on Itanic is the Enterprise version @ $3,999 USD list. Datacenter version only available via hardware/software combination purchase from companies like HP, Unisys, etc... or other 'qualified' integrators at vastly inflated prices. So on a low-end Itanic, the o/s costs about the same as the server and several times the cost of the cpu itself. But on the bright side, viruses are include free of charge. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 2005 11:56:30 -0800 From: tillmanj@gmail.com (Tillman J) Subject: New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itnerface: se0" Message-ID: <73330236.0501081156.ebabcbf@posting.google.com> Howdy folks, I dug up an extra RZ25 disk for my vaxstation 4000/60 a few months ago and so I decided to install OpenVMS 7.3 via the hobbyist program (I'm running NetBSD on the other RZ25, currently disconnected). All my licenses and software have arrived, and I've successfully completed a basic installation of OpenVMS 7.3 via the serial console. I should note that I'm very new to OpenVMS. I ran in trouble when I tried to configure tcpip 5.1. I've been following the tcpip portion of http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html even though it's for a simh installation -- it seemed relatively close if I mentally translated device names. In any case, I was able to manually configure my tcpip core and enable a few clients and services using @sys$manager:tcpip$config. When I attempt to start the tcpip service I get the message "error defining interface: se0". I get the same message when rebooting (I've enabled tcpip startup in the local startup file). The ESA0 interface (as the >>> dagger prompt calls it in the sho dev output) worked fine under NetBSD. I have the little switch flipped over to AUI, and I'm using an AUI->RJ45 transceiver to connect it to my switch. The transceiver link light goes green, which is a good sign. My modparams.dat contains: ADD_GBLPAGES=10000 ADD_GBLSECTIONS=100 ADD_NPAGEDYN=800000 ADD_NPAGEVIR=800000 MIN_SPTREQ=6000 Am I missing anything obvious? Failing anything obvious, is there someone that wouldn't mind giving me some assistance off-group, say via email or IRC or the like? - Tillman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:30:34 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: New 4000/60 hobbyist -- tcpip startup fails with "error defining itnerface: Message-ID: On 8 Jan 2005 11:56:30 -0800, Tillman J wrote: > Howdy folks, > > I dug up an extra RZ25 disk for my vaxstation 4000/60 a few months ago > and so I decided to install OpenVMS 7.3 via the hobbyist program (I'm > running NetBSD on the other RZ25, currently disconnected). All my > licenses and software have arrived, and I've successfully completed a > basic installation of OpenVMS 7.3 via the serial console. I should > note that I'm very new to OpenVMS. > > I ran in trouble when I tried to configure tcpip 5.1. I've been > following the tcpip portion of > http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html even though > it's for a simh installation -- it seemed relatively close if I > mentally translated device names. In any case, I was able to manually > configure my tcpip core and enable a few clients and services using > @sys$manager:tcpip$config. When I attempt to start the tcpip service I > get the message "error defining interface: se0". I get the same > message when rebooting (I've enabled tcpip startup in the local > startup file). Did you run @sys$manager:tcpip$config 1 - core 2 Interfaces > > The ESA0 interface (as the >>> dagger prompt calls it in the sho dev > output) worked fine under NetBSD. I have the little switch flipped > over to AUI, and I'm using an AUI->RJ45 transceiver to connect it to > my switch. The transceiver link light goes green, which is a good > sign. > > My modparams.dat contains: > > ADD_GBLPAGES=10000 > ADD_GBLSECTIONS=100 > ADD_NPAGEDYN=800000 > ADD_NPAGEVIR=800000 > MIN_SPTREQ=6000 > > Am I missing anything obvious? Failing anything obvious, is there > someone that wouldn't mind giving me some assistance off-group, say > via email or IRC or the like? > > - Tillman -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:04:06 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Samsung! Message-ID: <1105210446.730dfd847c6a3ac5360dcee370410695@teranews> David J Dachtera wrote: > If Itanic cannot be salvaged, does IBM have what it would take to > continue Alpha until VMS completes the X86-64 port that would then be > needed to save VMS? IBM didn't design Alphas, it was just a contractors called upon to FAB some chips according to the customer's designs. So HP could go to IBM any day and provide it with the Alpha masks and ask IBM to fab a few thousands chips. Or ask it to FAB some PA-Risc, or any other prorpretary chip. HP could go to any chip manufacturer and pay it to FAB some alphas. Anbd with the MHz clock race much slowed down, minor speed bumbs enabled by having better manufacturing process might give Alpha some life for a few more years without any serious engineering. Heck, they may be able to raise the clock rate on existing already fabbed EV7 chips. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:46:17 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Samsung! Message-ID: <41E070C8.17D43436@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > If Itanic cannot be salvaged, does IBM have what it would take to > > continue Alpha until VMS completes the X86-64 port that would then be > > needed to save VMS? > > IBM didn't design Alphas, it was just a contractors called upon to FAB some > chips according to the customer's designs. So HP could go to IBM any day and > provide it with the Alpha masks and ask IBM to fab a few thousands chips. Or > ask it to FAB some PA-Risc, or any other prorpretary chip. > > HP could go to any chip manufacturer and pay it to FAB some alphas. > > Anbd with the MHz clock race much slowed down, minor speed bumbs enabled by > having better manufacturing process might give Alpha some life for a few more > years without any serious engineering. > > Heck, they may be able to raise the clock rate on existing already fabbed EV7 chips. I'll take that as a conditional "yes". -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Coming soon: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:26:08 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Sun shocka - take 9 Message-ID: Rob Young wrote: > In article <1105157930.51e316e2181df978f4b4dea0862bf273@teranews>, JF > Mezei writes: >> Rob Young wrote: >>> Sun has been in major decline for 3 years now (1), where >>> have you been? >> >> New sales may have been hurt but the .com bomb, but one important >> metric is installed base. Just like the mythical 411,000 VMS systems installed for the past 10+ years?? > They were an 18 Billion dollar company fiscal year ended June 2001. Which was at the end of Y2K conversion sales bulge and the early stages of the .bomb session - which both inflated revenues and began to eat at server sales for *all* major *server* manufacturers. > Today they are a 11 Billion (plus) dollar company. It's funny in a way but Sun's decline, in part, came to be precisely because Sun was so successful at selling their servers to most of the .emerging com companies. The only problem was that when the .com's became .bombs there was a huge influx of basically new equipment in the liqudation market at fire sale prices. How could Sun, or indeed just about anyone sell new servers into a market glutted with almost new gear? All the major vendors were hit by this same phenomenon. > There are a lot > of ways you can dress up and talk up a company and Scotty is > an absolute master. But reality sets in, stock takes a tumble, > etc., etc. Just like hiding your company's computing sales weakness behind a veneer of toner and printer ink cartridges. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jan 2005 01:36:34 GMT From: Phaeton Subject: Re: Sun shocka - take 9 Message-ID: <34bg52F4400riU1@individual.net> Rob Young wrote: > In article <1105157930.51e316e2181df978f4b4dea0862bf273@teranews>, JF Mezei writes: >> Rob Young wrote: >>> Sun has been in major decline for 3 years now (1), where have you been? >> >> New sales may have been hurt but the .com bomb, but one important metric is >> installed base. > They were an 18 Billion dollar company fiscal year ended June 2001. > Today they are a 11 Billion (plus) dollar company. There are a lot > of ways you can dress up and talk up a company and Scotty is > an absolute master. But reality sets in, stock takes a tumble, > etc., etc. > Next. > Rob Next ? The next question is : where is Andrew Harrison ? ( Duck, cover and run... :-) Csaba ------------------------------------------------------------------------- CSABA I. HARANGOZO |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| phaeton at iinet dot net dot au ------------------------------------------------------------------------- EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]: Everything is a differentiation of one infinity. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:09:41 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: TFTP logging question Message-ID: <1105250342.637942b1a81342b4c5dd99186ada25ce@teranews> TCPIP Services 5.3 ECO 2, VAX-VMS Someone connect via UDP to port 69, triggering the creation of a TFTP server process. Because this was UDP, my router didn't log the inbound "call". The log file for the TFTP service has no indication/information about any activity and source of the request and what was done. The doc doesn't seem to indicate there are any logicals to trace TFTP activity. (is there ?) I've never actually used TFTP yet, but had it configured in case I neeed it to load a modem etc. Does the fact that nothing was logged to the log file indicate that no valid transation was made ? Also, the TFTP serve shoudl really have a flag/"logical to restrict all transactions to a single directory, removing any full file specification that may come in the request to ensure that it only has access to teh one directory and not the whole system. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.017 ************************