INFO-VAX Mon, 03 Jan 2005 Volume 2005 : Issue 6 Contents: *CASH*CASH*CASH* Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images Re: DECnet IV address 1.0 Re: ftp Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave in Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave in Re: I am looking for cheap or free vaxstations, decstations, or alphastations InfoServer scribe/CD-R keys ever surface? Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh Re: More on Tru64 Re: More on Tru64 Re: Need UNIX clarification RE: Need UNIX clarification Re: OT: Reality check on RFID RMS and Fast Delete: How to update alternate indexes ? Re: RMS and Fast Delete: How to update alternate indexes ? Re: VMS and digital cameras Re: VMS and digital cameras Re: VMS and digital cameras Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Jan 2005 22:34:11 -0800 From: "NeoOne" Subject: *CASH*CASH*CASH* Message-ID: <1104734051.363147.156520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Neo Tech Party Administration *CASH*CASH*CASH* Posted By: B (205.188.197.157) Date: 01/02/05 Turn $6.00 into $42,000...read this to find out how!!! READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE! I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of cash within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam", but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured: "what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right?" Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!!... within 7 days, I started getting cash in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the cash just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works....Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as you need it. I promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more cash than you thought possible by doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (print it out or download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the cash come in! It's easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage) IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! If all of the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive extraordinary dividends. PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business your product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the cash made from the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people like you and me asking to be included in that list. Here are the 4 easy steps to success: STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: 1)Nathan Gilreath 6049 Porter Ave. East Lansing, MI 48823 2)Beth Collins 1012 Woodbine Ave., Toronto, Ontario M4C 4C1 3) Melody McKinley 8 Huntingdon Drive Dartmouth, Nova Scotia B2V 1w1 4) C. Witt 12 Pine ST. Attleboro, MA 02703 5)Ben Ervin 1281 Cadillac Dr. Hamilton, OH 45013 6) D J Kelly 661 powell st apt # 3 Brooklyn Ny 11212 STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more cash you make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you need cash, you can use it again, and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of integrity, the program will continue and the cash that so many others have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of cash in CASH!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own name to the list and you're in business! ---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS------------ Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory. Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list. Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to go back to. Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click the post message button. You're done with your first one! Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE Cash YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin receiving cash from around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625.00! With an original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is: do you realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the internet and reading these articles everyday?, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so... People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the cash? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will really work. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 07:48:19 +0100 From: Dirk Munk Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images Message-ID: Neil Rieck wrote: >>CSWS V2.0 *demands* that all files are in stream-lf format. That is the >>reason why many of us are still using the previous version :-). >> > > I think this statement could be wrong. > > SWS-2.0 (they've dropped the "C" from the product name starting with version > 2.0) only requires that TEXT files be converted to stream_lf. This because > of three reasons: > > 1. Apache 2.x now is required to do something called content-length > filtering which means a browser may indicate to the server that it can only > accept, lets say, 2KB chunks. After the server sends out 2KB to the browser, > the browser may say to the server, "OK send the next 500 Bytes". The server > needs to be able to easily compute the starting point of byte 2001. > > 2. Text files in VMS are stored as a sequence of variable-length records. > You cannot determine the starting position of a given character without > first reading through all the variable-length records up-to the one you're > looking for. > > 3. HP didn't want to write any special code just to deal with VMS issues > (although I think they could have created a MOD_RMS for people wanting > backward compatibility) > > The following links may help to understand content-length filtering: > http://hypermail.linklord.com/new-httpd.old/2002/Aug/0374.html > http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/filter.html > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/apache/2001/08/23/apache_2.html > > I just pulled the following quote from this news group archive at > www.deja.com where I did an advanced search for the word "CSWS" from > author "Rick Barry". > > > As a few posters already guessed, the stream-lf requirement for served files > was to minimize the portability (and maintenance) effort and to address the > problem of quickly determining the number of data bytes in the > Content-Length calculation (without having to read every byte in the file). > > This requirement applies mainly to textual content, such as .HTML, .SHTML, > and .TXT files, that are typically represented on VMS using variable-length > record format. Binary data files, such as executables, are not an issue > because fixed-length record format is also acceptable. Sounds logical. The strange thing is that Mozilla on VMS does like to see all files in Stream-LF format. A .JPG file in binary format will show up with a size of 0 bytes, change the attributes to Stream-LF and you will get the actual size in bytes. Mozilla can display both formats ! > > Rick Barry > OpenVMS System Software Group > Hewlett-Packard Company > Nashua, NH > > > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:19:13 GMT From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images Message-ID: <00A3D4D3.D8039BB7@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> In article <1104725192.fe09f0edb9fd228326e3d630dbdee93c@teranews>, JF Mezei writes: >Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: >> Most Apache development takes place on Unix/Linux/xBSD, which have for a long >> time had heavily-cached file systems. > >Fair enough. I hadn't thought of that. > >OK so lets turn the table. What would be the impact of changing VMS to have >STMLF as default file format for DCL commands such as OPEN, CREATE and for >TPU/EDT ? What other utilities would need to be changed ? > >Or are there too many utilities that are "mature" and which HP refuses to >allocate development money on that such a change is really impossible on VMS ? This would seem likely to destroy backward compatibility for stuff customers have generated. For example, you'd need to arrange that files created by $ DEFINE SYS$OUTPUT filename would be STMLF. And you'd break non-system-supplied editors, etc. I really can't see making this change and keeping the customer base happy, unless you could control the behavior by something like saying "ODS-n volumes initialized as Unix-compatible have a default file format of STMLF" and then have that handled properly, invisibly, by all utilities. Customers who need old behavior would stay with ODS-2. -- Alan ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 06:03:13 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images Message-ID: <1104760993.884565.226950@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Neil Rieck wrote: > > Your analysis is correct. The script doesn't look for anything other than > VMS text files which means JPG files don't need to be converted. > > Have you checked your Apache error log? (You'll need to restart the server > to look at it) > > Last resort test: > I see that you are a hobbyist. Try shutting down MultiNet and installing > HP's "TCPIP Services for OpenVMS". If your problem goes away then you know > that there is a bug with the stack. (this is how I solved my TCPware related > problem which I documented here > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/csws_tips.html#intermittent-cgi ) > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html My analysis is that the bugs are in that unix kernel tcp/ip for vms ... TCPware runs perfect with purveyor ... if compaq would have only listened and bought purveyor from process, then they would of had a bullet proof web server that would have required little work ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:00:11 -0500 From: "Richard Whalen" Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 + MultiNet 5.0 - Problem Displaying Large Images Message-ID: "Neil Rieck" wrote in message news:lrCBd.69994$Tn1.2222960@news20.bellglobal.com... > > "Craig A. Berry" wrote in message > news:craigberry-E2F14A.10162801012005@news.isp.giganews.com... > > In article <1104525457.285867.10110@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > > "Rich Faust" wrote: > > > >> Anyone else using CSWS V2.0 with MultiNet V5.0 on OpenVMS V7.3-2? > >> > >> If so, any problems displaying large images? > > > > Are the files in stream format? Be sure to read the know problems and > > restrictions section of the release notes, currently located at: > > > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_relnotes_20.ht > > ml#known > > > > (unwrap that if necessary) > > A few months back, I encountered a file-size problem with CSWS-2.0 and > TCPware (which is a sister product to MultiNet since they are both produced > by Process Software Corp.). I reported the problem to PSC and they responded > with patch "DRIVERS_V562P051". So my advice to you is to make sure you have > the most recent MultiNet patches installed then report the problem to PSC if > this doesn't help. > > Referring them to the TCPware patch I just referenced may help. > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/csws_tips.html#sws20 CSWS-2.0 tips > > When I was trying to figure out the problem that Neil Rieck had I tried his example with MultiNet and did not experience the problem. So, if there is a problem with MultiNet, it is not the same problem as TCPware had. Though I have been following this thread, I do not currently have time to investigate problems that are not being reported by customers. --------------------------- Richard Whalen Process Software ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 07:35:23 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DECnet IV address 1.0 Message-ID: <+gkd8CqcO5Ej@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > > Was DECnet EVER a prerequisite for clustering? I realise that some > applications (PHONE) might not work properly in a cluster if there is no > DECnet (fortunately, MONITOR can be run over TCPIP), but that is a > mistake of the writer of the application---I don't think DECnet was ever > a prerequisite for clustering per se. No. Although DECnet was assumed, and implied by some of the installation instructions, I know of systems which ran clusters without DECnet from the earliest releases of "VAXcluster". ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 08:06:07 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: ftp Message-ID: In article <3EBAd.1528$df.93066@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Brian" writes: > is there a way to ftp from the vax to the Windows server? Since we've all been doing it for years, there must be a way. The usual difficulty is that Windows doesn't normally have its ftp server running. Most people use an ftp client on thier Windows systems, and ftp servers on thier servers. Beware of Windows GUI ftp systems that don't follow the RFP re: NLIST vs. LIST. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 07:58:02 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave in Message-ID: In article <1104522977.046874.154790@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com writes: > The BBC does much better news but we do not get he BBC here which I > miss very much since I moved from the UK. > > Sue Complain to your cable supplier. We get the BBC news on multiple channels every night, and just after 9/11 we got CBC news too. I found it very helpfull in those days to know what the rest of the world was thinking. I can't even count the number of non-English news broadcasts we receive. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:15:37 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave in Message-ID: <41D97DB5.75F22A21@nobody.org> Bob Koehler wrote: > Complain to your cable supplier. We get the BBC news on multiple > channels every night, PBS in the USA carry one version of a recorded BBC world service 30 minute newscast. But BBC World is a 7/24 news channel that generally has 30 minute newscasts followed by 30 minutes of documentaries , interviews, information etc. (there is one IT related program called Click Online). Hardtalk (interviews with world leaders/figures) is extremely good. They had Hans Blix reveal a LOT of stuff that USA media refused to air, they interviewed Mikael Gorbachev during the Beslan massacre and that was quite revealing about what Putin was actually doing with his "reforms" and why he was doing it. And they aired the full interview with Kofi Anan instead of the USA channels which just mentioned that Anan had called the USA invasion illegal. And they also have the World Business Report which is extremely good because it isn't focused on one region of the world. And they have it both late at night (North American time) which covers the closing of asian markets and opening of euro markets, as well as late afternoon in north america to covers what happened in north america that day. http://www.bbcworld.com/content/template_home.asp?pageid=1 bypasses their silly javascript-only home page and gets to to content). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:54:50 -0500 From: "DAVID TURNER" Subject: Re: I am looking for cheap or free vaxstations, decstations, or alphastations Message-ID: <10tiq873nmubaa0@news.supernews.com> eric if you don't mind cosmetic damage, I have some alpha pws500au you canhave one for $150 no graphics cards though includes cdrom and 128mb memory us shipping costs about $45 DT -- Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404 Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402 Email: dbturner@icusc.com "Eric Loyd" wrote in message news:6c905686.0411190810.6463894c@posting.google.com... > I am a recovering unemployed computer professional who is looking for > jobs. One of the skills I would like to refresh on is VMS. > > Does anyone have any sort of old DEC workstation (or server) that > they'd be willing to part with for free or a small fee? I'll cover > shipping to US ZIP 14505 if anyone can help me out. > > Email replies to eric.loyd@gmail.com, please. Thank you. > > -Eric ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 07:20:35 -0800 From: phil@rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Subject: InfoServer scribe/CD-R keys ever surface? Message-ID: <4ee9bf09.0501030720.431a8de7@posting.google.com> I've done my homework -- if badly -- and can't find anything on usenet, eisner, or the freeware disks. There was rumour a couple of years ago that InfoServer tape / CD-R functions might be made available (for hobbyist use); have they? Since I don't apparently have an SCSI card that will run with my PWS-500au, and all my old SCSI stuff has large 50-pin connectors (internally), I'm hoping this will let me use the IS to connect CD-ROM/CD-R and Exabyte 8mm drive, so I can get my external cables to connect. Thanks, and sorry if I'm beating a dead horse. Phil Mendelsohn ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 08:01:21 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh Message-ID: <1UTjbkSlwLS8@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <1104324105.678340.52110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "amk" writes: > > HI all, > > I need a way (in DCL, if possible) to find, from within > an existing process, if this process was logged-in using SSH. > As a matter of fact, I want to deny access from interactive users > trying to login without using SSH. What alternatives do they have? TELNET, CTERM, RTPAD, serial lines ... can all be disabled. Then there won't be any interactive processes not using SSH except the occaisional one on OPA0: ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 08:02:13 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh Message-ID: In article <04122912051187@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: > alp $ show logi tt > "TT" = "_FTA41:" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) > > RLOGIN/RSH and TELNET give "_TNAxx:". Perhaps FTA is distinctive. DECterms are all FT. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 07:29:58 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: More on Tru64 Message-ID: In article <8rpogcHKATDZ@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: > > BLISS (Basic Language for Implementation of System Software) is considered > to be high-level language. I always heard it as Bill's Language for Implementing System Software, but I understand Bill denies that it is an acronym. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 05:47:50 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: More on Tru64 Message-ID: On 3 Jan 2005 07:29:58 -0600, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <8rpogcHKATDZ@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, > brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: >> >> BLISS (Basic Language for Implementation of System Software) is >> considered >> to be high-level language. > > I always heard it as Bill's Language for Implementing System > Software, but I understand Bill denies that it is an acronym. > Having now looked briefly at the ref man, I fail to see how any can claim that it is a high level language - it has a very low level of abstraction. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 07:49:51 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Need UNIX clarification Message-ID: In article , "Neil Rieck" writes: > > So here's my question. Is it true that most flavors of UNIX are single > threaded? Is LINUX? Is HP-UX? Is AIX? > I was lead to believe that Tru64 was multi-threaded and this was one reason > why HP couldn't move AdvFs and TruCluster support from Tru64 into HP. The original UNIX kernel was single threaded. Simplicity. Decades later the original Linux was single threaded as Linus thought all the issues multi-threaded kernels solve should be relegated to hardware, and he admired simplicity. (Guess what embedded systems are used inside the "hardware"). Note that this is not the same as having kernel support for POSIX threads. Most kernels have that now, but they don't themselves have to be multi-threaded. AIX was and HP-UX uses a BSD kernel, which was single threaded. Since this is sufficient for most uses, I don't think there's a lot of pressure on the vendors to make their kernels multi-threaded. VMS, like RSX, was multi-threaded from day 1 (WNT is not). Tru64 had a kernel option to improve real-time response, but enabling it required increased kernel overhead for most applications. It's not clear how multi-threaded this made the kernel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:12:21 -0600 From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: Need UNIX clarification Message-ID: > "Neil Rieck" wrote in > news:BbfAd.21823$Tn1.735381@news20.bellglobal.com: > > Our shop spends 95% of our time developing/maintaining OpenVMS > > software for an internal application and ~5% of our time doing UNIX > > system admin work. We've run into problems from time-to-time where a > > single application (DHCP for example) will seem consume too many > > resources which resulted in PANIC messages at the console of one of > > our Solaris boxes. > > Well, of course, this should not happen presuming the machine is > reasonably well provisioned. > > > When we talked to the system vendor for this particular application, > > we were told the following "most UNIX operating systems are single > > threaded so we should invest in a multi-blade solution where a web > > server runs on one blade, DHCP on a second, Oracle on a > third, and so > > on". When you hear something like this, you don't know if > it's true or > > whether some salesman trying to sell you more hardware (or both). > > No, unix solutions do not work this way. This is the way > many Windows > shops end up operating. Since the apps are so unpredictable, > it's best > to give them each their own 'blade'. BTW unix was invented 20 years > before the word 'blade' came in to its current usage. Yes! I currently have about 5 windows machines at the office, doing the exact same amount of work I would do on a single BSD installation. Totally because things crash on windows much more. > > > p.s. we solved our problem by moving the DHCP function to an old > > AS-2100 sitting in the back room and it has been happily running for > > over a year now without a peep (currently serving up 150,000 address > > from a 50 segment pool). > > Not really a surprise. > > > So here's my question. Is it true that most flavors of UNIX > are single > > threaded? Is LINUX? Is HP-UX? Is AIX? > > I was lead to believe that Tru64 was multi-threaded and this was one > > reason why HP couldn't move AdvFs and TruCluster support from Tru64 > > into HP. Why would Unix be single threaded? > > See the other's comments... > > > Neil Rieck > > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > > Ontario, Canada. > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it is addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject to intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed and are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and then immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 07:20:28 -0800 From: "Zombiewire" Subject: Re: OT: Reality check on RFID Message-ID: <1104765628.895492.111840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Opposition * Stop RFID (http://www.spychips.com/index.html), an activist site devoted to exposing privacy problems with RFID. * RFID Consumers report (http://www.zombiewire.com/) * EFF position on RFID (http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/RFID/) * See also privacy external links for privacy rights organizations on the topic.. [edit] Industry associations * EPCglobal website (http://www.epcglobalinc.org/) * Association for Automatic Identification and Data Capture Technologies (http://www.aimglobal.org/technologies/rfid/), trade association webpage about RFID [edit] Industry gazettes, journals and blogs * RFID Gazette (http://www.rfidgazette.org/), providing daily RFID-related news * The Future Is Here: A Beginner's Guide to RFID (http://www.rfidgazette.org/2004/06/rfid_101.html), an RFID Gazette essay. (June 2004) * RFID Consumers report (http://www.zombiewire.com/) * RFIDbuzz: Website (http://www.rfidbuzz.com/) and Wiki (http://www.rfidbuzz.com/wiki/) * RFID Journal: Michelin Embeds RFID Tags in Tires (http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/269/1/1/) * RFID Log (http://www.rfidlog.com/), industry news service on RFID innovation, implementation and legal processes * RFID News (http://www.rfidnews.org/), weblog and monthly e-magazine covering the RFID Industry * RFID and Contactless technology News (http://www.contactlessnews.com/), free resource for breaking news and research on the use of contactless and radio frequency identification technologies. Profit, privacy, and the battle for control of the emerging technology are frequently covered topics in this industry leading resource. * MoreRFID.com (http://www.morerfid.com/), free RFID information site. * RFID Global Resource Link (http://www.byvalor.com/), a comprehensive directory for system integrators to have quick access to all global RFID-related resources. * RFID: Points of View (http://www.rfidpov.com) provides a central resource for accessing a variety of stories on RFID * RFID Directory (http://www.rfidintegration.net/rfiddir/) Articles and links to current RFID information * AICPA (http://www.aicpa.org/pubs/jofa/nov2004/davis.htm) RFID tags in finance from the Journal of Accountancy. (November 2004) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 06:23:12 -0800 From: henri.benoit@capgemini.com (H Benoit) Subject: RMS and Fast Delete: How to update alternate indexes ? Message-ID: <611c47af.0501030623.13e932ad@posting.google.com> When I am reading VMS documentation on "fast delete" feature for RMS file, and I can read that: " RMS does not attempt to remove any of the pointers from alternative indexes to the deleted record." and, "You improve performance by postponing the processing needed to eliminate the pointers from alternative indexes to the record." So I don't see any where How To "eliminate the pointers" ? I suppose I have to use CONVERT utility. Does anybody clarify how to do that ? Thank's for your help Henri ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 10:28:43 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: RMS and Fast Delete: How to update alternate indexes ? Message-ID: In article <611c47af.0501030623.13e932ad@posting.google.com>, henri.benoit@capgemini.com (H Benoit) writes: > When I am reading VMS documentation on "fast delete" feature for RMS > file, and I can read that: > > " RMS does not attempt to remove any of the pointers from alternative > indexes to the deleted record." > > and, > > "You improve performance by postponing the processing needed to > eliminate the pointers from alternative indexes to the record." > > So I don't see any where How To "eliminate the pointers" ? > > I suppose I have to use CONVERT utility. > > Does anybody clarify how to do that ? Does the command CONVERT/RECLAIM do it ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 07:56:23 -0600 From: Alphaman Subject: Re: VMS and digital cameras Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > Is the 8-cm CD a common format, likely to be around for a while? (I > don't have a ruler handy, but I gather this is smaller than a normal > CD.) The format has definitely become more popular here in the States. Most computer and electronics stores now carry 8cm media (both CD-R and CD-RW), with many also offering it in bulk spindles (25 to 50). Yes, it is smaller than a normal CD, and only contains about 180 MB per disk. Sony will want to sell you their version, but they only hold about 150 MB and accordingly cost more. > Wow! That's what I thought when I first discovered the concept, too! > Thanks for the info. So, with this camera, I could take photographs, > have them all on CD automatically and immediately, and view this CD on > VMS, with no need for a PC at any stage. Absolutely correct. Oh, the CDs do work in many of the photo kiosks around, as most will have a CD drive in them. You finalize your CD in the camera, place it in the drive in the kiosk, and out comes your print. I don't know what the availability of such kiosks is in Europe, but here in the states, they are quite readily available with many large chains like Target, Wal-Mart, and Wolf Camera, for example, hosting kiosks. > What does this camera cost? Prices vary, but they are available globally, with the US list price being $300 for a floppy based unit, to $400 for a 3.2 MP CD and $600 for a 5 MP CD. If you are thinking of shooting any volume of photos, I would definitely stay away from the floppy based unit. That's good for realtors or insurance adjusters who need but a handful of shots of a subject -- not for photographers of any other need. Street prices should be substantially below these numbers. The Mavica line of cameras is how Sony became #1 in digital photography many years back. IIRC, there was one point where Mavicas were over 50% of the digital camera market in the world. The ease of use, platform portability, and permanent archive, when mixed with the decent optics and feature set (including lots of manual mode adjustments for the diehard photo bug) have made the line of CD Mavicas very popular. There are some things it is lacking. A smaller form factor would be nice, but is impractical given the media. A better optical zoom would be nice (currently limited to 3x). Since you've got to write each photo to CD after taking it, the delay between shots can be long if you are shooting hi-res/hi-quality photos (I typically shoot 2272x1520, 3.4 MP, and they take up 900K-1M, with an inter-shot gap of 2-4 seconds.) The video quality on my older CD400 is good, and 320x240 is surprisingly sufferable, even on my HDTV, although I do wish I had a new CD500 with 640x480 video. My CD400 has one distinct drawback in the video area: you can NOT zoom the lens while taking a video; this may have changed with the CD500, so if it's important to you, check this out before you buy. Best regards, Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:31:55 -0500 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: Re: VMS and digital cameras Message-ID: <33tdseF44fkmcU1@individual.net> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > I'm considering moving from conventional 35mm film to a digital > camera. >... You might want to check out http://www.gphoto.org/. I have not tried it, but it might compile/run on VMS. Nikon is supposed to have (or maybe I should say, "soon will have" - I have not paid enough attention to know if they are on the market yet) some cameras that support PTP over IP, but I have not looked at them. OT: I prefer storing my images with the date/time the picture was taken, so I wrote a Visual Basic Script that reads in the EXIF data from the JPG image and renames the file based to the date/time (i.e. 20041225141031.JPG) that the camera stored in the file. If anyone wants a copy send me an e-mail and I will send it to you. -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX www.weaverconsulting.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:17:46 GMT From: Forrest Kenney Subject: Re: VMS and digital cameras Message-ID: <41D988D9.60E172BA@hp.com> To answer the question yes USB support is standard on all the IA64 office and rack mount systems. The cell based big iron systems do not have USB at the present time. That may change in the future. In V8.2 for IA64 there is limited support for USB mass storage. But that only gets you part of the way to what you need. The missing piece is FAT16/32 support. Many of the cameras that support USB connections provide a mode to see the storage device Smart DISK/Compact Flash/Memory Stick etc. as a FAT formated disk. In addition many of the cameras have a mode where you can control them from you computer. This is frequently done using TWAIN support and allows you to control and take pictures under the control of your computer. It is highly unlikely that the OpenVMS group would ever add TWAIN support. There have been a number of hallway discussion about adding FAT support and what form it would need to take. If folks really believe that FAT support is needed in OpenVMS please let folks like Sue Skonetski and Mark Gorham know. Forrest Kenney OpenVMS ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2005 08:10:13 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Message-ID: <2Q5ddpB6PoSM@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <1104459622.5d7390b002ca94ef0ffeef9502c91c26@teranews>, JF Mezei writes: > Re: USB drives on VMS > > Forget Itanium. I want USB on my all mighty Microvax II. Backing up 10 gigs > on TK50s takes more than a year :-) ;-) Let us all know when you find that Qbus to USB adapter. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:37:06 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <1104459622.5d7390b002ca94ef0ffeef9502c91c26@teranews>, JF > Mezei writes: >> Re: USB drives on VMS >> >> Forget Itanium. I want USB on my all mighty Microvax II. Backing up >> 10 gigs on TK50s takes more than a year :-) ;-) > > Let us all know when you find that Qbus to USB adapter. Maybe with appropriate gender changers..... http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/proddetail.html?sess=no&language=En glish+US&prodkey=USBXchange&cat=%2fTechnology%2fUSB%2fUSB-to-SCSI+Adapters ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:46:30 -0500 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Message-ID: <33tb79F42pub1U1@individual.net> John Smith wrote: >... > Maybe with appropriate gender changers..... > http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/proddetail.html?sess=no&language=En > glish+US&prodkey=USBXchange&cat=%2fTechnology%2fUSB%2fUSB-to-SCSI+Adapte rs I bought one of those a few weeks ago. Unfortunately I still need to find a "Adaptec 50 pin High Density Female to 50 pin low Density Male" adapter (#1887200) to hook up the tape drive. Nobody has one of these adapters in stock except for someone who wants 3 times the price for shipping. A local store keeps telling me that they'll have one for me next week, but next week keeps moving. My hope is that I will be able to visit a customer with CHARON-VAX on my laptop and hook up either a TZ88 or TZ87 to show them that CHARON-VAX works with their data. -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX www.weaverconsulting.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:00:08 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Message-ID: Peter Weaver wrote: > John Smith wrote: >> ... >> Maybe with appropriate gender changers..... >> > http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/proddetail.html?sess=no&language=En >> > glish+US&prodkey=USBXchange&cat=%2fTechnology%2fUSB%2fUSB-to-SCSI+Adapte > rs > > I bought one of those a few weeks ago. Unfortunately I still need to > find a "Adaptec 50 pin High Density Female to 50 pin low Density Male" > adapter (#1887200) to hook up the tape drive. Nobody has one of these > adapters in stock except for someone who wants 3 times the price for > shipping. A local store keeps telling me that they'll have one for me > next week, but next week keeps moving. > > My hope is that I will be able to visit a customer with CHARON-VAX on > my laptop and hook up either a TZ88 or TZ87 to show them that > CHARON-VAX works with their data. www.granitedigital.com ??? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:04:01 -0500 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Message-ID: <-d6dnYRpmotm50TcRVn-tA@igs.net> Peter Weaver wrote: > John Smith wrote: >> ... >> Maybe with appropriate gender changers..... >> > http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/proddetail.html?sess=no&language=En >> > glish+US&prodkey=USBXchange&cat=%2fTechnology%2fUSB%2fUSB-to-SCSI+Adapte > rs > > I bought one of those a few weeks ago. Unfortunately I still need to > find a "Adaptec 50 pin High Density Female to 50 pin low Density Male" > adapter (#1887200) to hook up the tape drive. Nobody has one of these > adapters in stock except for someone who wants 3 times the price for > shipping. A local store keeps telling me that they'll have one for me > next week, but next week keeps moving. > > My hope is that I will be able to visit a customer with CHARON-VAX on > my laptop and hook up either a TZ88 or TZ87 to show them that > CHARON-VAX works with their data. I was told by Adaptec a long time ago that this device (USB2xchange) was not appropriate for use with DAT tape drives. Maybe something has changed in the interim. You might want to talk with a store that has a wholesale account with EMJ/Synnex....they usually have decent stock of odd adapters. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:15:46 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Message-ID: <41D97DBE.1623B91F@nobody.org> John Smith wrote: > > Let us all know when you find that Qbus to USB adapter. > > Maybe with appropriate gender changers..... > http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/proddetail.html?sess=no&language=En > glish+US&prodkey=USBXchange&cat=%2fTechnology%2fUSB%2fUSB-to-SCSI+Adapters This one is a SCSI to USB converter. I would need a USB to SCSI converter. (Yes, my All mighty Microvax II has a SCSI board). (USB is not sex neutral. there is a powered "server" and a unpowered "client" side, you can't plug two USB clients to each other, unless one is bisexual and can switch from client to server. The above gizmo is a client USB interface that is expected to be plugged into a server USB port (such as a computer). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:46:25 GMT From: Forrest Kenney Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Message-ID: <41D98181.7AD84D7A@hp.com> As Fred Kleisorge has already stated we are working on it for V8.3. For the time being I am still doing the work on V7.3-2 and if possible I will make it available as an add on for V8.2. But this is a work in progress and any number of things could delay or cause it to be canceled. As some folks have seen or heard in V8.2 can boot off a USB mass storage device. There are a couple of qualifications here, the code as it exists in V8.2 is latent support for future systems that may have USB DVD's for installation. The code has not been tested and we know of problems using it as a system disk. At the present time there are no plans to make USB mass storage devices supported as your system disk. The second problem is that the firmware at the present time works with about 1/2 of all the USB mass storage devices I have tried. I am working with the owner of the firmware to get this fixed. His priority is to support a USB DVD for installation any thing beyond this gets looked at when he has time. Finally, until some work is done to the EFI standard supporting USB 2.0 is a bit of a problem. The EFI standard did not allow for multifunction USB controllers which makes it virtually impossible to correctly identify what disk and controller a system booted off of at run time. There is work going on to rectify this problem and hopefully by the 8.3 time frame that will be in place. This is not a gating item to our adding USB 2.0 to OpenVMS. Here is what is in 8.2 for USB by platform: Alpha IA64 ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Lucent USS 344 controller Philips ISP1516 controller NEC 7020100 Controller(1) NEC 7020100(1) Others(2) Others(2) USB Hubs all USB hubs all USB Printers(3) USB Printers (3) Prolific USB to serial Prolific USB to serial USB Modems(4) USB Modems(4) Keyboard LK463 (5) Keyboard LK463(5) Mice Mice USB Mass storage Bulk only devices, Flash cards, Disks, DVD/CD's not floppies 1 - The NEC 70201001 should also work but I have not had a chance to test it. 2 - In theory any controller based on the OHCI standard should work but you will need to add an entry for it in sys$user_config.dat and give it a shot. 3 - We only guarantee to send ASCII data to them correctly if they need special formatting the driver does not do that. 4 - They must conform the the USB modem standard. 5 - Other keyboards should work but not all features like extra buttons, volume controls etc. will not. We have several drivers internally that may show up in the future, like a joy stick driver, more USB to serial converters, a button driver for keyboards with extra buttons. We are looking at what of these make sense to release as well as evaluating a way to allow users to use a generic Human Interface Driver, button boxes etc. without having to write a driver. We are also looking at a a generic USB driver to support random devices like USB smart card readers, scanners etc. None of this is committed work and may never get done. Forrest Kenney OpenVMS Group ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:52:07 -0500 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Message-ID: <33tf2aF3qqo1lU1@individual.net> John Smith wrote: >... > www.granitedigital.com ??? Thanks, I had not heard of them before. They want $39US for their version. Adaptec sells their product for $10US + shipping and the famous broker fees. Various retailers in Canada list it for between $15CDN and $28CDN +shipping. None of the retailers I contacted in Canada have any in stock, but one of these days the local guy will get one in. -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX www.weaverconsulting.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:54:20 -0500 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? Message-ID: <33tf6eF44m7voU1@individual.net> John Smith wrote: >... > I was told by Adaptec a long time ago that this device (USB2xchange) > was not appropriate for use with DAT tape drives. Maybe something has > changed in the interim. >... I have no idea if it will work yet, but I figured there is no harm in trying it. -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX www.weaverconsulting.ca ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2005.006 ************************